DateTimeFromToMessage
2020-09-03 07:23:56 PM stepha630 but its good to know
2020-09-03 07:24:06 PM pjbell ok lets see alot paulabell
2020-09-03 07:24:07 PM sjackson ok
2020-09-03 07:24:08 PM karenb ok, go
2020-09-03 07:24:10 PM tiffanyhill180 ok
2020-09-03 07:24:13 PM diannareich ok
2020-09-03 07:24:13 PM lisacomstock so, I missed beginning questions is there a way to see
2020-09-03 07:24:15 PM cchase did you learn about the area of the brain where the emotions hide
2020-09-03 07:24:15 PM chanelrheubottom ok
2020-09-03 07:24:15 PM aprilw okay. April Wickstrom
2020-09-03 07:24:21 PM lavelar13 unpredictable
2020-09-03 07:24:25 PM vzamora7871 cchase i believe there is also only 5 types of medication for alzheimers and they all include the same active ingredient, i find that odd.
2020-09-03 07:24:40 PM sbowles Limbic system Susan Bwoels
2020-09-03 07:24:52 PM tiffanyhill180 frontal lobe
2020-09-03 07:24:52 PM cchase I am not a fan of meds for Als
2020-09-03 07:25:08 PM cchase correct susan
2020-09-03 07:25:23 PM cchase the Als does not go after this area till later
2020-09-03 07:25:23 PM stepha630 they seem more like chemical restraints
2020-09-03 07:25:26 PM sjackson the amygdala
2020-09-03 07:25:35 PM cchase so that means that you have a pt. with emotions
2020-09-03 07:25:38 PM cchase feelings
2020-09-03 07:25:50 PM cchase but one big problem
2020-09-03 07:25:53 PM tiffanyhill180 yes but mostly anger you see
2020-09-03 07:25:56 PM pjbell they are sad and cant express it paulabell
2020-09-03 07:25:57 PM vzamora7871 I agree@steph360
2020-09-03 07:26:02 PM cchase ??
2020-09-03 07:26:07 PM kaylazoccole no memory to know why the feel so much- kayla zoccole
2020-09-03 07:26:16 PM kaylazoccole or rationalize the feelings-kayla zoccole
2020-09-03 07:26:23 PM sbowles They cry all day about nothing in particular. Susan Bowles
2020-09-03 07:26:26 PM cchase getting warm folks
2020-09-03 07:26:36 PM sjackson pain, depression, anger
2020-09-03 07:26:49 PM aprilw they don't remember how to say how they are feeling April Wickstrom
2020-09-03 07:26:50 PM vzamora7871 thye dont know how to express their emotions?
2020-09-03 07:26:50 PM lisacomstock chemical restraint not allowed
2020-09-03 07:26:53 PM cchase the brain can no longer rationalize
2020-09-03 07:26:54 PM sjackson frustration
2020-09-03 07:26:55 PM kreese828 No time perception
2020-09-03 07:27:09 PM lavelar13 outburst behavior
2020-09-03 07:27:11 PM tiffanyhill180 frustration is a big part
2020-09-03 07:27:12 PM laurieh they can't decipher feelings of happy or sad anger
2020-09-03 07:27:13 PM cchase so they do not know why they cry - get angry
2020-09-03 07:27:24 PM lisacomstock they need lock down unit at somepoint
2020-09-03 07:27:26 PM tiffanyhill180 yes
2020-09-03 07:27:26 PM cchase they just feel sad and angry
2020-09-03 07:27:28 PM sjackson exactly
2020-09-03 07:27:36 PM cchase correct laurie
2020-09-03 07:27:38 PM tiffanyhill180 they really can't control it either
2020-09-03 07:27:39 PM stepha630 does the stages of grief apply here-stephanie alvarado
2020-09-03 07:27:41 PM diannareich yes frustration but they don't know why or how to communicate their feelings
2020-09-03 07:27:43 PM sjackson they dont know why they feel this way right
2020-09-03 07:27:59 PM cchase so you use that information
2020-09-03 07:28:03 PM sjohnson35 no they dont no way its a emotion that came over them sjohnson
2020-09-03 07:28:15 PM rachelordille yes
2020-09-03 07:28:22 PM kreese828 A dementia resident of mine today cried the whole time she got her hair done becaus she couldn't use her walker
2020-09-03 07:28:23 PM cchase how do you use that?
2020-09-03 07:28:26 PM lisacomstock they smile at times though
2020-09-03 07:28:31 PM angeldewitt one onn one goes a long ways
2020-09-03 07:28:37 PM sjackson use it to help them
2020-09-03 07:28:41 PM pjbell yes by asking or just offering support paulabell
2020-09-03 07:28:50 PM karenb It helps us to understand what they are going through.
2020-09-03 07:28:58 PM laurieh try to sympathize get to their level
2020-09-03 07:29:04 PM cchase yes smile - you use that to intice smiles and happy
2020-09-03 07:29:05 PM rachelordille left the chat room
2020-09-03 07:29:06 PM rachelordille enter the chat room
2020-09-03 07:29:07 PM sjohnson35 guidance and comfort-sakeithia
2020-09-03 07:29:08 PM stepha630 empathy
2020-09-03 07:29:12 PM kreese828 You try to rationalize but if it doesn't work, you adapt to their level and try to undrstand
2020-09-03 07:29:12 PM lavelar13 be patient
2020-09-03 07:29:14 PM kaylazoccole just try to redirect them into a totally new thing -kayla zoccole
2020-09-03 07:29:20 PM cchase you cannot rationalize - so you redirect
2020-09-03 07:29:28 PM sjohnson35 empathy-sjohnson
2020-09-03 07:29:29 PM cchase always redirect
2020-09-03 07:29:32 PM sbowles Buy a baby doll if she is female and use that for comfort. susan Bowles
2020-09-03 07:29:33 PM rachelordille exactly
2020-09-03 07:29:33 PM vzamora7871 valerie zamora- redirect and understanding
2020-09-03 07:29:34 PM lavelar13 yes! my favorite redirect
2020-09-03 07:29:35 PM kaylazoccole bring them into a happier area -kayla zoccole
2020-09-03 07:29:38 PM aprilw make eye contact and listen try to figure it out with them, be patient April Wickstrom
2020-09-03 07:29:41 PM lisacomstock smiling makes them believe everything is ok
2020-09-03 07:29:43 PM kreese828 yes! redirect was what I was trying to think of
2020-09-03 07:29:50 PM cchase here is an example - ready
2020-09-03 07:29:53 PM pjbell remininsce paulabell
2020-09-03 07:29:55 PM karenb go
2020-09-03 07:29:57 PM angeldewitt yes
2020-09-03 07:29:57 PM sjohnson35 yes johnson
2020-09-03 07:29:58 PM rachelordille yes
2020-09-03 07:29:59 PM sjackson yes
2020-09-03 07:30:00 PM sbowles Ready
2020-09-03 07:30:01 PM diannareich yes
2020-09-03 07:30:02 PM aprilw yes
2020-09-03 07:30:03 PM stepha630 yes
2020-09-03 07:30:03 PM chanelrheubottom yes
2020-09-03 07:30:10 PM tiffanyhill180 yes
2020-09-03 07:30:14 PM kreese828 yes
2020-09-03 07:30:16 PM cchase sam sees the rain outside
2020-09-03 07:30:20 PM laurieh ok
2020-09-03 07:30:21 PM cchase it is pouring hard
2020-09-03 07:30:22 PM srolle yes
2020-09-03 07:30:25 PM kreese828 yes
2020-09-03 07:30:30 PM aprilw ok
2020-09-03 07:30:32 PM lisacomstock ok
2020-09-03 07:30:33 PM cchase sam has decided that he wants to go out
2020-09-03 07:30:36 PM sbowles okay
2020-09-03 07:30:41 PM lisacomstock ya nope
2020-09-03 07:30:42 PM srolle ok
2020-09-03 07:30:43 PM cchase he is pretty determined
2020-09-03 07:30:48 PM cchase what do you do?
2020-09-03 07:30:50 PM aprilw oh boy
2020-09-03 07:30:52 PM sjackson redirect
2020-09-03 07:30:57 PM lisacomstock but redirect
2020-09-03 07:30:58 PM stepha630 redirect
2020-09-03 07:30:59 PM kreese828 Redirect
2020-09-03 07:31:04 PM tiffanyhill180 redirect
2020-09-03 07:31:04 PM sjohnson35 redirect -sjohnson
2020-09-03 07:31:07 PM pjbell reminisce paulabell
2020-09-03 07:31:09 PM srolle redirect him to something else
2020-09-03 07:31:09 PM lisacomstock something you know he likes
2020-09-03 07:31:11 PM laurieh persuade him elsewhere
2020-09-03 07:31:12 PM diannareich redirect
2020-09-03 07:31:15 PM rachelordille i would redirect and say well we dont want to get cold out there why dont we watch it from the window
2020-09-03 07:31:17 PM lavelar13 redirect maybe to an activity with water?
2020-09-03 07:31:17 PM angeldewitt get him interested in something he likes
2020-09-03 07:31:18 PM kreese828 Start to sort of distract so to speak
2020-09-03 07:31:19 PM karenb eat ice cream!
2020-09-03 07:31:25 PM tiffanyhill180 haha
2020-09-03 07:31:29 PM aprilw interested in something else
2020-09-03 07:31:31 PM sbowles Distract him Susan Bowles
2020-09-03 07:31:47 PM stepha630 redirect to different activity of their choosing-stephanie alvarado
2020-09-03 07:31:47 PM srolle try something he loves
2020-09-03 07:31:50 PM sjohnson35 offer him other option sjohnson
2020-09-03 07:31:56 PM vzamora7871 valerie zamora- provide them with an activity of interest
2020-09-03 07:31:59 PM diannareich window view and enjoy watching the rain from inside
2020-09-03 07:32:01 PM lisacomstock I love walking in the rain
2020-09-03 07:32:05 PM aprilw talk about his family, favorite tv show, go see if it's on April Wickstrom
2020-09-03 07:32:08 PM sjackson move him in a new direction and try to help find him something else to do
2020-09-03 07:32:28 PM kaylazoccole id probably open a door if i could so they could smell the rain and maybe touch with their hand then redirect to a new activity- kayla zoccole
2020-09-03 07:32:41 PM kreese828 Know his interests and us that to yur benefit
2020-09-03 07:32:56 PM sjohnson35 take him for a walk towards his room and sit and watch the rain-sjohnson
2020-09-03 07:33:03 PM lisacomstock sometimes if you give them what they want they will change their minds
2020-09-03 07:33:10 PM pjbell sing singing in the rain
2020-09-03 07:33:26 PM laurieh Say something like I'm hungry let's go get a cookie/ sandwich/ icecream/ cup of coffee
2020-09-03 07:33:30 PM pjbell that could lead to elopement
2020-09-03 07:33:36 PM sjackson sometimes you have to get someone else to step in because if you continue to aggitate him maybe a new face or sound will change his direction
2020-09-03 07:33:55 PM cchase hello
2020-09-03 07:34:00 PM aprilw hi
2020-09-03 07:34:06 PM srolle hello
2020-09-03 07:34:07 PM sbowles Hello
2020-09-03 07:34:10 PM kreese828 We've all been answering
2020-09-03 07:34:10 PM aprilw still here
2020-09-03 07:34:10 PM pjbell hello
2020-09-03 07:34:12 PM karenb I still think we should eat ice cream.
2020-09-03 07:34:13 PM chanelrheubottom hello
2020-09-03 07:34:13 PM tiffanyhill180 hi
2020-09-03 07:34:16 PM sjohnson35 hello-sjohnson
2020-09-03 07:34:21 PM angeldewitt hello
2020-09-03 07:34:23 PM kaylazoccole here
2020-09-03 07:34:31 PM aprilw lol, karenb
2020-09-03 07:34:38 PM diannareich did you loose us again
2020-09-03 07:34:45 PM lisacomstock have we stretched this subject or are we looking for a specific answer
2020-09-03 07:34:49 PM lavelar13 here here
2020-09-03 07:34:50 PM aprilw she did
2020-09-03 07:34:59 PM miguele We can redirect him to wash his hands in the sink and even to water the inside plants
2020-09-03 07:35:11 PM sjackson that storm looks awful bad right now lets go watch the news and make sure the rain is about to stop before we go out there
2020-09-03 07:35:51 PM kreese828 Ask if he likes water and start talking about things with water or a beach
2020-09-03 07:35:52 PM laurieh I think we lost Celeste
2020-09-03 07:35:53 PM vzamora7871 where are yall from? it likes fine over here in bay city
2020-09-03 07:35:54 PM sbowles Remind him he could catch a cold if he goes out there right now. Susan Bowles
2020-09-03 07:35:54 PM cchase yes - fustrating
2020-09-03 07:35:59 PM rachelordille left the chat room
2020-09-03 07:36:00 PM rachelordille enter the chat room
2020-09-03 07:36:00 PM sjackson if he refuses this direction, have someone come in with a snack or a phone call to family to hopefully change his direction.
2020-09-03 07:36:02 PM cchase celeste is back and ticked
2020-09-03 07:36:02 PM lisacomstock well how many ways to redirect the undirectable
2020-09-03 07:36:10 PM stepha630 here
2020-09-03 07:36:20 PM angeldewitt here
2020-09-03 07:36:20 PM lisacomstock here
2020-09-03 07:36:25 PM srolle here
2020-09-03 07:36:26 PM sbowles Here
2020-09-03 07:36:27 PM pjbell here
2020-09-03 07:36:28 PM kreese828 Still here
2020-09-03 07:36:31 PM kaylazoccole here - kayla zoccole
2020-09-03 07:36:38 PM lavelar13 patiently here :)
2020-09-03 07:36:40 PM karenb good in Florida
2020-09-03 07:36:43 PM cchase well SAM loves peanut butter - so we ask him to help make a peanut butter sandwich
2020-09-03 07:36:45 PM aprilw Upper Michigan, WAAAAY up
2020-09-03 07:36:59 PM tiffanyhill180 yes
2020-09-03 07:37:04 PM cchase redirection at it's best
2020-09-03 07:37:07 PM chanelrheubottom we have pbj time at work
2020-09-03 07:37:09 PM pjbell redirect
2020-09-03 07:37:11 PM lisacomstock is he mech soft
2020-09-03 07:37:16 PM cchase one more
2020-09-03 07:37:23 PM lisacomstock puree or reg diet?
2020-09-03 07:37:25 PM angeldewitt ok
2020-09-03 07:37:28 PM cchase Mary picks mom every wed
2020-09-03 07:37:30 PM rachelordille good idea
2020-09-03 07:37:31 PM karenb I still thnk we should eat ice cream. Who doesn't like ice cream?
2020-09-03 07:37:34 PM cchase to go eat
2020-09-03 07:37:43 PM aprilw alright
2020-09-03 07:37:48 PM srolle ok
2020-09-03 07:37:49 PM rachelordille ok
2020-09-03 07:37:50 PM lisacomstock ok
2020-09-03 07:37:50 PM kreese828 gotcha
2020-09-03 07:37:50 PM sbowles okay
2020-09-03 07:37:53 PM pjbell ok
2020-09-03 07:37:54 PM diannareich ok
2020-09-03 07:37:57 PM cchase she got to mom house this week and mom was already with her coat on
2020-09-03 07:37:57 PM angeldewitt ok
2020-09-03 07:37:58 PM lisacomstock and
2020-09-03 07:38:12 PM kreese828 ok
2020-09-03 07:38:15 PM lisacomstock ready to go
2020-09-03 07:38:15 PM pjbell ok routine
2020-09-03 07:38:15 PM srolle ok
2020-09-03 07:38:17 PM sbowles ok
2020-09-03 07:38:22 PM cchase when they got to the restaurant mom took her coat off
2020-09-03 07:38:30 PM srolle ok
2020-09-03 07:38:31 PM kreese828 uh oh
2020-09-03 07:38:36 PM lavelar13 oh oh
2020-09-03 07:38:37 PM cchase but all mom had on way a slip
2020-09-03 07:38:38 PM lisacomstock and she had no cloths on
2020-09-03 07:38:43 PM cchase what do you do?
2020-09-03 07:38:44 PM tiffanyhill180 o boy
2020-09-03 07:38:45 PM lisacomstock hehehe
2020-09-03 07:38:46 PM aprilw oh my g
2020-09-03 07:38:46 PM srolle oh no
2020-09-03 07:38:52 PM sjackson dont get mad at her
2020-09-03 07:39:02 PM lisacomstock always be prepared
2020-09-03 07:39:05 PM lisacomstock lol
2020-09-03 07:39:10 PM stepha630 redirect mom to put coat back on because it gets cold in the restaurant
2020-09-03 07:39:10 PM sjackson first ask mom if she feels comfortable in her clothes today
2020-09-03 07:39:14 PM tiffanyhill180 don't get mad
2020-09-03 07:39:22 PM kreese828 Tell mom it's chilly and she should put her coat back on. You don't wnt her to get a cold
2020-09-03 07:39:23 PM lisacomstock its just a hing chicken wing
2020-09-03 07:39:24 PM pjbell awe no. put her coat on and say you left something at home paulabell
2020-09-03 07:39:25 PM sbowles Take her home and try again. Susan Bowles
2020-09-03 07:39:32 PM chanelrheubottom tell her its a little cold and ask het if she want her coat again
2020-09-03 07:39:36 PM lavelar13 to go?
2020-09-03 07:39:38 PM sjackson try and convince mom she needs some new clothes that they should go get her an outfit then eat
2020-09-03 07:39:52 PM laurieh suggest she might be cold and help her back into her coat an weat a nice dinner
2020-09-03 07:39:53 PM vzamora7871 Valerie zamora- patience is key and help her pick out a sweater that she does like
2020-09-03 07:39:54 PM srolle don't be upset, just keep the coat on
2020-09-03 07:39:55 PM aprilw calmly cover her with her jacket and sit her down and calmly have a chat, redirect and say ya know i think we should go eat somewhere else. let's go change and gussy up
2020-09-03 07:39:58 PM sjackson or just simply try and redirect her to put the coat back on
2020-09-03 07:40:01 PM karenb Wear the coat to eat.
2020-09-03 07:40:06 PM kaylazoccole stay calm- kayla zoccole
2020-09-03 07:40:10 PM lisacomstock see if the place has promotional tshirts for sale
2020-09-03 07:40:12 PM rachelordille try to get her her put her coat on and go back home and try again
2020-09-03 07:40:45 PM angeldewitt try to grt her to put coat on cause its cold
2020-09-03 07:40:45 PM sjohnson35 tell mom that we have to order to go because a emergency came up and we have to get back stat_sjohnson
2020-09-03 07:40:53 PM cchase how do you get her coat on?
2020-09-03 07:40:54 PM sjackson chekc her outfit before leaving the house
2020-09-03 07:40:55 PM sbowles I like the promotional t-shirts idea. Susan Bowles
2020-09-03 07:41:03 PM miguele First I will ask her if she feels confortable, then I will say, hey, I am not wearing just one slip, that's out of fashion... let make ourselves looks nice
2020-09-03 07:41:08 PM cchase angela - close
2020-09-03 07:41:08 PM chanelrheubottom tell her it seem cold inside
2020-09-03 07:41:14 PM laurieh Suggest it's cold there
2020-09-03 07:41:17 PM lavelar13 play "dress up"
2020-09-03 07:41:24 PM kaylazoccole make it her idea to put it back on- kayla zoccole
2020-09-03 07:41:37 PM kaylazoccole talk about how beautiful she would look with it on- kayla zoccole
2020-09-03 07:41:41 PM sjackson she should put her coat on and maybe mom will follow
2020-09-03 07:41:41 PM lisacomstock what ever it takes
2020-09-03 07:41:46 PM diannareich main thing don't make her think your belittling her. try and redirect her to put coat back on and then approach the subject out of the public eye. Put your coat bak on making out how chilly it is in the restraunt
2020-09-03 07:41:46 PM cchase can you say its freezing in here - with the a/c - I am going to put me coat on
2020-09-03 07:41:47 PM rachelordille i agree with suggesting its cold in there and she should put it back on
2020-09-03 07:41:49 PM lavelar13 fancy dinner in coats
2020-09-03 07:41:53 PM srolle redirected mom
2020-09-03 07:42:00 PM sjohnson35 tell her her coat is her outfit and she must keep it on until we get back ,,,johnson
2020-09-03 07:42:04 PM angeldewitt im cold im putting my coat on you should too
2020-09-03 07:42:07 PM cchase mom will likely do the same
2020-09-03 07:42:14 PM rachelordille yes
2020-09-03 07:42:14 PM lavelar13 true too
2020-09-03 07:42:15 PM lisacomstock yes
2020-09-03 07:42:15 PM sbowles Good idea. Susan Bowles
2020-09-03 07:42:20 PM srolle yes
2020-09-03 07:42:22 PM cchase mom will copy you
2020-09-03 07:42:23 PM pjbell hope so paulabell
2020-09-03 07:42:34 PM lisacomstock more than likely
2020-09-03 07:42:36 PM aprilw sit next to her and as your saying that we should go to a fancier place slowly guide her with putting her coat on--April Wickstrom
2020-09-03 07:42:39 PM srolle yes great example
2020-09-03 07:42:44 PM cchase dont' tell her to put her coat on
2020-09-03 07:42:56 PM cchase you demonstrate what you want her to do
2020-09-03 07:43:01 PM sjackson that could upset her
2020-09-03 07:43:03 PM karenb OK
2020-09-03 07:43:05 PM tiffanyhill180 no redirect and say it's cold in here
2020-09-03 07:43:05 PM kreese828 let her lead by your example
2020-09-03 07:43:07 PM rachelordille exactly
2020-09-03 07:43:08 PM stepha630 got it
2020-09-03 07:43:13 PM laurieh wow good point
2020-09-03 07:43:15 PM pjbell ok
2020-09-03 07:43:16 PM sbowles Okay.
2020-09-03 07:43:17 PM cchase yup that's the one
2020-09-03 07:43:17 PM lisacomstock demonstrate why?
2020-09-03 07:43:19 PM srolle ok
2020-09-03 07:43:25 PM cchase you do it she follows
2020-09-03 07:43:33 PM sjohnson35 i dont see how thats true -sjohnson
2020-09-03 07:43:36 PM srolle yes
2020-09-03 07:43:39 PM cchase you demostrate - she will copy
2020-09-03 07:43:40 PM lisacomstock always follow?
2020-09-03 07:43:48 PM cchase no lost face for mom
2020-09-03 07:43:49 PM pjbell she will get upset if you tell her why paulabell
2020-09-03 07:44:11 PM lisacomstock ok
2020-09-03 07:44:12 PM cchase it is called mirroring
2020-09-03 07:44:14 PM angeldewitt dignity at its finest
2020-09-03 07:44:14 PM sjackson it makes her feel like she made the choice instead of you making it for her
2020-09-03 07:44:25 PM cchase correct
2020-09-03 07:44:28 PM lisacomstock yes, I knew that.....
2020-09-03 07:44:35 PM cchase of course
2020-09-03 07:44:36 PM sjackson dignity
2020-09-03 07:44:46 PM chanelrheubottom like the esaying monkey see monkey do
2020-09-03 07:44:48 PM sbowles If she is at the end stages her brain does not know what to do. Correct? Susan Bowles
2020-09-03 07:44:51 PM stepha630 we were just testing you ms chase
2020-09-03 07:44:53 PM pjbell didnt know the name but do that paulabell
2020-09-03 07:44:53 PM cchase you earn their trust this way
2020-09-03 07:44:57 PM chanelrheubottom saying sorry
2020-09-03 07:44:57 PM cchase ha ha
2020-09-03 07:45:21 PM cchase which will go a long way another day
2020-09-03 07:45:22 PM rachelordille yes
2020-09-03 07:45:23 PM kreese828 If you degrade or humiliate... they wont trust you anymore
2020-09-03 07:45:29 PM sjackson this is a good way to get loved ones to eat as well
2020-09-03 07:45:33 PM sjohnson35 true
2020-09-03 07:45:40 PM cchase yup - I see that all the time
2020-09-03 07:45:43 PM cchase foolish
2020-09-03 07:46:05 PM lavelar13 ok
2020-09-03 07:46:08 PM cchase that ditrust will be a pain in the you know what - I promise you that
2020-09-03 07:46:17 PM sjackson amen
2020-09-03 07:46:22 PM cchase one more
2020-09-03 07:46:25 PM lavelar13 very true
2020-09-03 07:46:25 PM lisacomstock yep very true
2020-09-03 07:46:25 PM pjbell for sure
2020-09-03 07:46:28 PM aprilw ok
2020-09-03 07:46:28 PM stepha630 yes
2020-09-03 07:46:29 PM srolle ok
2020-09-03 07:46:30 PM karenb go
2020-09-03 07:46:31 PM diannareich ok
2020-09-03 07:46:32 PM angeldewitt yes
2020-09-03 07:46:32 PM sbowles okay
2020-09-03 07:46:35 PM chanelrheubottom ok
2020-09-03 07:46:36 PM rachelordille ready
2020-09-03 07:46:44 PM kreese828 And even though they're not in the right frame... They can tell when someone degrades.
2020-09-03 07:46:46 PM laurieh go on