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2016-02-18 07:23:35 PM degestrom no
2016-02-18 07:23:53 PM kathyhughes No but.......sometimes we have to look at alternatives
2016-02-18 07:23:55 PM reneebragg do tell kathy
2016-02-18 07:24:01 PM rose48mary yes do
2016-02-18 07:24:02 PM 85cindy like ?
2016-02-18 07:24:08 PM kathyhughes I had a resident who hated bras
2016-02-18 07:24:10 PM nancyzmc no - for the record though - just put me in some comfy sweats and feed me chocolate
2016-02-18 07:24:13 PM 85cindy undershirts/
2016-02-18 07:24:17 PM degestrom it is sometimes hard to keep the shirts on the dementia residents so it helps to have a bra or undershirt
2016-02-18 07:24:27 PM kathyhughes We got into a conversation about it one day during coffee
2016-02-18 07:24:28 PM amber5 Lol nancyzmc
2016-02-18 07:24:31 PM degestrom yes nancy
2016-02-18 07:24:31 PM kimberly1 yes
2016-02-18 07:24:32 PM melissam cindy i think it depends on the resident. I think a cami or undershirt is often more comfortable for the resident.
2016-02-18 07:24:37 PM nancyzmc Better yet, PJs
2016-02-18 07:24:44 PM amber5 I agree melissam
2016-02-18 07:24:47 PM degestrom fleece pj's
2016-02-18 07:24:50 PM cristinak as a CNA i have always made sure they are covered properly but each situation is different. and NOT ALL CNA'S CARE FROM THE HEART AND WORRY ABOUT THE MODESTY OF THINGS
2016-02-18 07:24:55 PM 85cindy Kathy what was the conversation?
2016-02-18 07:24:56 PM nancyzmc Exactly
2016-02-18 07:25:01 PM kathyhughes so the resident stated that she did not want to have to wear a bra when she dies
2016-02-18 07:25:15 PM reneebragg lol
2016-02-18 07:25:17 PM degestrom i like her
2016-02-18 07:25:18 PM rose48mary lol
2016-02-18 07:25:19 PM amber5 Let the girls breathe!
2016-02-18 07:25:22 PM nancyzmc I agree
2016-02-18 07:25:24 PM rose48mary lol
2016-02-18 07:25:26 PM nancyzmc Smart lady
2016-02-18 07:25:33 PM kathyhughes so when she died we had to convince the funeral director that she did not want a bra
2016-02-18 07:25:36 PM reneebragg i will be there with her burn them up
2016-02-18 07:25:38 PM kimberly1 good for her
2016-02-18 07:25:39 PM degestrom ha
2016-02-18 07:25:42 PM rose48mary lol
2016-02-18 07:25:45 PM kathyhughes and he was appallled as she was well endowed
2016-02-18 07:25:50 PM reneebragg lol
2016-02-18 07:25:54 PM degestrom even better
2016-02-18 07:25:57 PM kathyhughes but we were able to convince him
2016-02-18 07:26:00 PM nancyzmc oh my
2016-02-18 07:26:04 PM rose48mary good job
2016-02-18 07:26:05 PM kimberly1 wow
2016-02-18 07:26:07 PM teresab if he had boobs he would understand
2016-02-18 07:26:12 PM rose48mary thats right
2016-02-18 07:26:13 PM nancyzmc last wishes should be respected
2016-02-18 07:26:18 PM rose48mary i agree
2016-02-18 07:26:20 PM kimberly1 true
2016-02-18 07:26:31 PM degestrom i am just laughing
2016-02-18 07:26:34 PM kathyhughes So there are some alternatives such as shelf bras, larger sports bras, undershirts
2016-02-18 07:26:35 PM reneebragg thats right i think a man invented them anyway
2016-02-18 07:26:41 PM 85cindy I understand ... however to see some of my ladies who are so endowed just hanging ...I don,t know
2016-02-18 07:26:48 PM nancyzmc what is a shelf bra
2016-02-18 07:26:50 PM degestrom hey I enjoy undershirts
2016-02-18 07:26:59 PM 85cindy shelf bra
2016-02-18 07:27:03 PM cristinak YES THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE A POINT TO USE THEM...
2016-02-18 07:27:04 PM rose48mary sports bra...
2016-02-18 07:27:10 PM 85cindy clue me in
2016-02-18 07:27:10 PM rose48mary maybe
2016-02-18 07:27:17 PM kathyhughes Its a cotten top with a built in shelf for the ladies
2016-02-18 07:27:26 PM nancyzmc OOOOOHHhh
2016-02-18 07:27:34 PM degestrom maybe I would like a shelf bra
2016-02-18 07:27:47 PM 85cindy The response back from CNA is that it is to hard to get the undershirts over their heads
2016-02-18 07:27:54 PM melissam i have found that with the residents large sports bras give a little support and dignity without being too confining if a cami isn't enough
2016-02-18 07:28:01 PM nancyzmc Get them snap back clothing
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2016-02-18 07:28:07 PM kathyhughes https://www.avon.com/product/53286/2-pack-seamless-cami-with-shelf-bra?s=ProductFeeds&c=iCrossing&otc=03901980&s=AV_GGL_NB&c=iCrossing&otc=AV_SHOPPLA_FashionFashion9Specials&CID=488_875
2016-02-18 07:28:07 PM degestrom we should invent zipper undershirts
2016-02-18 07:28:14 PM reneebragg its not that hard to get them over if they are a little bit larger
2016-02-18 07:28:14 PM kathyhughes Avon has them
2016-02-18 07:28:23 PM 85cindy cami sounds good or shelf...Thanks kathy
2016-02-18 07:28:39 PM cristinak I HAVE WORKED THE FLOOR AND ITS MORE OF THE LAZY MATTER I THINK
2016-02-18 07:28:40 PM kathyhughes I love the shelf bras !
2016-02-18 07:28:44 PM 85cindy that is what I thought renee
2016-02-18 07:28:52 PM rose48mary tank top then a shirt over it
2016-02-18 07:28:57 PM kathyhughes It depends on the residents
2016-02-18 07:29:24 PM degestrom sometimes the cna's are not so caring about how they look
2016-02-18 07:29:24 PM kathyhughes I don't want to wear one in the home
2016-02-18 07:29:25 PM 85cindy I agree cristina with some folks
2016-02-18 07:29:25 PM nancyzmc Unfornately you are probably right crisinak
2016-02-18 07:29:27 PM cristinak AND YES IT DOES DEPEND ON THE RESIDENT AND THIER RIGHTS....
2016-02-18 07:29:41 PM nancyzmc PJs
2016-02-18 07:29:43 PM amber5 When I get home, the bra comes off!
2016-02-18 07:29:49 PM degestrom Preview of coming attractions
2016-02-18 07:29:52 PM nancyzmc and chocolate
2016-02-18 07:29:56 PM cristinak BUT ITS ALSO A MATTER OF HOW YOU APPROACH THE SITUATION WITH THEM
2016-02-18 07:30:00 PM 85cindy I know but if that can,t speak for themselves maybe it does bother them that there is not one on
2016-02-18 07:30:05 PM reneebragg me too amber and the pj's come on
2016-02-18 07:30:07 PM amber5 Sorry, maybe I shared to much information!
2016-02-18 07:30:08 PM kathyhughes And when will the state learn that the Baby Boomers like their PJ's
2016-02-18 07:30:17 PM rose48mary amber i agree
2016-02-18 07:30:20 PM kathyhughes and I don't like socks
2016-02-18 07:30:24 PM degestrom not the johnny
2016-02-18 07:30:27 PM rose48mary me either
2016-02-18 07:30:27 PM kathyhughes or shoes
2016-02-18 07:30:36 PM 85cindy me either
2016-02-18 07:30:40 PM kimberly1 welll remember this Kathy
2016-02-18 07:30:41 PM degestrom flip flops all winter
2016-02-18 07:30:53 PM degestrom insode
2016-02-18 07:31:09 PM reneebragg summer bare foot and winter socks and house shoes and no bra!!!
2016-02-18 07:31:09 PM rose48mary flip flops only inside in the winter for me
2016-02-18 07:31:20 PM degestrom yea renee
2016-02-18 07:31:24 PM kathyhughes I guess I will have to be a behavior problem until the staff figures it out!
2016-02-18 07:31:27 PM melissam funny bra story that happened today. I was helping a visually impaired resident open a birthday card she recieved in the mail today. There was a check enclosed and when i told her she didn't skip a beat and excitidly flipped her shirt up to her chin so her bra was exposed. She exclaimed that she had to have somewhere safe to put the check and pointed to her bra! So funny!
2016-02-18 07:31:35 PM kimberly1 yeah
2016-02-18 07:31:39 PM kimberly1 :)
2016-02-18 07:31:48 PM rose48mary lol
2016-02-18 07:31:52 PM nancyzmc lol
2016-02-18 07:31:53 PM cristinak JUST MAKE SURE ITS CARE PLANNED AND ALL IS WELL...JUST SAYIN'
2016-02-18 07:32:01 PM reneebragg lol
2016-02-18 07:32:04 PM kathyhughes Great Melissa
2016-02-18 07:32:05 PM teresab lol
2016-02-18 07:32:15 PM rose48mary residents can be very funny
2016-02-18 07:32:22 PM degestrom very funny
2016-02-18 07:32:27 PM kathyhughes But staff will have to figure me out...I am not going to make it easy!
2016-02-18 07:32:30 PM reneebragg so fuuny
2016-02-18 07:32:30 PM nancyzmc You have a good point cristinak - sometimes it can be a matter of comfort and safety
2016-02-18 07:32:30 PM 85cindy nice story!
2016-02-18 07:32:42 PM cristinak GREAT THINKING KATHY
2016-02-18 07:32:43 PM degestrom I will be so bad
2016-02-18 07:32:51 PM kimberly1 I bet you will be the best resident
2016-02-18 07:32:55 PM 85cindy careplaning it is important
2016-02-18 07:33:13 PM nancyzmc Can't wait - gonna cuss like a sailor, wear PJs, and eat until I explode
2016-02-18 07:33:14 PM cristinak CAREPLANNING IS A MUST
2016-02-18 07:33:14 PM reneebragg its great to be laughing at this time of night i needed it
2016-02-18 07:33:15 PM rose48mary and documention is too
2016-02-18 07:33:16 PM degestrom We already know what we can get away with
2016-02-18 07:33:26 PM kathyhughes I am going to have my own care plans
2016-02-18 07:33:32 PM cristinak AND DOCUMENT DOCUMENT DOCUMENT
2016-02-18 07:33:33 PM degestrom me too
2016-02-18 07:33:39 PM 85cindy me too
2016-02-18 07:33:42 PM rose48mary and document
2016-02-18 07:33:44 PM kathyhughes and I already have my assessment ready
2016-02-18 07:33:47 PM nancyzmc That's right - go in with your own careplans
2016-02-18 07:33:51 PM degestrom good idea
2016-02-18 07:33:59 PM cristinak LOL KATHY YOU OVER ACHIEVER
2016-02-18 07:34:05 PM reneebragg I am going to demand activities on the hours 7 days a week keep me busy,
2016-02-18 07:34:06 PM degestrom I have practiced walker and wheelchair
2016-02-18 07:34:14 PM kathyhughes I just like planning ahead
2016-02-18 07:34:19 PM tony03 me too
2016-02-18 07:34:28 PM reneebragg me to kathy
2016-02-18 07:34:31 PM kathyhughes Heck I am not going to activities
2016-02-18 07:34:40 PM kathyhughes but my roommate will go to all of them
2016-02-18 07:34:48 PM reneebragg lol
2016-02-18 07:34:53 PM 85cindy i would go to activities
2016-02-18 07:34:56 PM degestrom no I will be the one with the elopement bracelet on
2016-02-18 07:35:00 PM nancyzmc and please, for the love of all that's holy, do not take me to BINGO!
2016-02-18 07:35:07 PM cristinak AS FAR AS BEING ACTIVE THEY WILL HAVE TO WORK AT IT A LOT TO GET ME TO ATTEND... I WANT TO JUST CHILL...
2016-02-18 07:35:08 PM melissam roommate? no thanks. i want a private room!
2016-02-18 07:35:10 PM kathyhughes LOL
2016-02-18 07:35:12 PM 85cindy no bingo though
2016-02-18 07:35:14 PM reneebragg Amen Nancy
2016-02-18 07:35:28 PM kathyhughes I bet that you would go!
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2016-02-18 07:35:43 PM nancyzmc Possible - if chocolate were a prize
2016-02-18 07:35:46 PM amber5 I want to be able to watch my shows and favorite movies.
2016-02-18 07:35:49 PM kathyhughes See!
2016-02-18 07:35:59 PM reneebragg so tired of bingo 6 days a week their obess
2016-02-18 07:35:59 PM nancyzmc I gave up chocolate for Lent - it's torture
2016-02-18 07:36:01 PM cristinak I MIGHT ATTEND SOME EVENTS JUST SO I CAN TELL THEM THAT'S NOT HOW WE DID IT
2016-02-18 07:36:02 PM kathyhughes Closet Bingo players!
2016-02-18 07:36:06 PM cristinak YOUR DOING IT WRONG
2016-02-18 07:36:12 PM degestrom I will probably try to run the activities
2016-02-18 07:36:12 PM 85cindy how abouty chocolate and wine
2016-02-18 07:36:15 PM rose48mary kathy i had a family member state that his mother did not believe in church or god so don't invite her to church but the resident had dementia and goes when invited do we go by what was in the past or what is now for the resident..that was a question for nursing, social services and me...
2016-02-18 07:36:17 PM melissam i will go to bingo but i refuse to be one of the hecklers. so annoying.
2016-02-18 07:36:19 PM degestrom wine yes
2016-02-18 07:36:20 PM kathyhughes There is free online Bingo games
2016-02-18 07:36:26 PM degestrom no
2016-02-18 07:36:38 PM reneebragg i will go to happy hour
2016-02-18 07:36:53 PM melissam rosemary, if the resident is enjoying it now then what is it hurting?
2016-02-18 07:37:30 PM melissam even for the non-religious church can be peaceful and calming
2016-02-18 07:37:31 PM tony03 yeah let her go. its not that big of a deal. also, sometimes the children have the issue with religion and take it out on the parents
2016-02-18 07:37:47 PM nancyzmc I agree Melissa - be with her in the moment
2016-02-18 07:37:56 PM reneebragg kathy when they complain about no bingo i will put them in front of the computer and let them play
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2016-02-18 07:38:34 PM kathyhughes I would state that the resident attends religious activities for the socialization and wants to be with others. That you are aware of what the family reported, however the attendance at the activity is for a sense of belonging to the facility community
2016-02-18 07:38:55 PM melissam nicely said Kathy
2016-02-18 07:38:58 PM 85cindy I agree with that
2016-02-18 07:39:04 PM nancyzmc Perfect
2016-02-18 07:39:06 PM kimberly1 in ADH we have it once in the early part of the month and then in the later part of the month
2016-02-18 07:39:07 PM rose48mary i agree..but what if the family member is poa
2016-02-18 07:39:07 PM teresab rosemary, we had a women who was a christian scientest, but she always came to church we just explained to her loved one that these are her wishes to us and asked if they would like to sit in on it. It wasn't necessarily church she was into just the feeling.
2016-02-18 07:39:08 PM reneebragg great way of putting it kathy
2016-02-18 07:39:19 PM kathyhughes Hey...you can set them up with POGO.com and they can play Bingo all day long
2016-02-18 07:39:32 PM rose48mary i did do that with family
2016-02-18 07:39:41 PM reneebragg the family needs to know its her right!!
2016-02-18 07:39:54 PM kathyhughes POA has nothing to do with the resident attending church
2016-02-18 07:39:55 PM nancyzmc Agreed Renee
2016-02-18 07:40:02 PM tony03 agreed
2016-02-18 07:40:11 PM kathyhughes POA only has to do with the residents finances
2016-02-18 07:40:30 PM degestrom I f they are in the room and do not want to leave, I let them stay, unless family is adament they not attend
2016-02-18 07:40:38 PM kathyhughes and attending the activity is not for religion
2016-02-18 07:40:43 PM reneebragg If they don't want them to attend then they need to come and do something with the resident
2016-02-18 07:40:51 PM kathyhughes right!
2016-02-18 07:40:51 PM rose48mary but family say is important..right, i agree with everyone.
2016-02-18 07:41:03 PM degestrom touchy subject for some
2016-02-18 07:41:13 PM rose48mary yes, i agree
2016-02-18 07:41:23 PM kathyhughes Well then what alternatives would the family suggest
2016-02-18 07:41:50 PM kathyhughes I would put the ownership back on them
2016-02-18 07:42:05 PM rose48mary ok thanks Kathy
2016-02-18 07:42:09 PM kathyhughes why do we assume that the families are responsible for some things?
2016-02-18 07:42:23 PM kathyhughes not responsible
2016-02-18 07:42:25 PM kathyhughes sorry
2016-02-18 07:42:33 PM teresab We tell our resident that the activity is going to be a christian church service, and ask her again if she would like to stay or come back after. Quietly don't bring attention to it.
2016-02-18 07:43:07 PM kathyhughes And you are welcome to use what I stated earlier
2016-02-18 07:43:09 PM 85cindy that is good
2016-02-18 07:43:11 PM teresab I meant we say it to her quietly so she isn't embarrased.
2016-02-18 07:43:24 PM kathyhughes because it is not about religion
2016-02-18 07:43:39 PM cristinak ITS A SOCIAL CHANCE
2016-02-18 07:43:40 PM reneebragg No it isn't
2016-02-18 07:43:43 PM kathyhughes right
2016-02-18 07:43:45 PM degestrom It is about freedom of choice
2016-02-18 07:43:48 PM rose48mary i agree
2016-02-18 07:43:49 PM kathyhughes right
2016-02-18 07:43:50 PM nancyzmc We assume families are not responsible because other departments make it seem like it is more important to make the families happy then the resident
2016-02-18 07:43:51 PM 85cindy families sometimes can be sensitive about different things
2016-02-18 07:43:52 PM kimberly1 yes
2016-02-18 07:44:13 PM cristinak ITS ALL ABOUT THE RIGHT OF RESIDENT
2016-02-18 07:44:17 PM cristinak ALL WE CAN DO IS ENCOURAGE
2016-02-18 07:44:21 PM kathyhughes I know that they can be, however, they also need some education!
2016-02-18 07:44:24 PM reneebragg The families need to realize its the residents rights not theirs.
2016-02-18 07:44:24 PM degestrom true
2016-02-18 07:44:34 PM 85cindy i do agree
2016-02-18 07:44:37 PM nancyzmc Agreed
2016-02-18 07:44:46 PM reneebragg true kathy education
2016-02-18 07:45:04 PM kathyhughes too bad we don;t have an orientation for families!
2016-02-18 07:45:14 PM rose48mary we should
2016-02-18 07:45:14 PM reneebragg lol
2016-02-18 07:45:17 PM nancyzmc That would be fantastic!
2016-02-18 07:45:18 PM cristinak LOL KATHY THAT WOULD DAY WEEKS
2016-02-18 07:45:19 PM degestrom so many freedoms are taken away at a facility
2016-02-18 07:45:24 PM cristinak TAKE
2016-02-18 07:45:33 PM degestrom agree
2016-02-18 07:45:37 PM kathyhughes such as Kathryn?
2016-02-18 07:45:40 PM teresab I work in memory care and I agree sometimes that family can require alot of your attention. Sometimes moreso than there loved one.
2016-02-18 07:45:51 PM kathyhughes Guilt
2016-02-18 07:45:56 PM kimberly1 true
2016-02-18 07:45:57 PM nancyzmc Yup
2016-02-18 07:46:06 PM teresab agreed
2016-02-18 07:46:06 PM kathyhughes A very powerful emotion
2016-02-18 07:46:08 PM reneebragg teresa like kathy said education
2016-02-18 07:46:13 PM rose48mary i agree or they push what they want for their family member more then the resident
2016-02-18 07:46:19 PM nancyzmc Overwhelming emotion
2016-02-18 07:46:23 PM reneebragg guilt to
2016-02-18 07:46:32 PM 85cindy For some of our residents we do see their families very much which is another sad story.
2016-02-18 07:46:34 PM degestrom Freedom to live life like you used to. I see so much sadness when people are brought in for long term care
2016-02-18 07:46:36 PM cristinak THIS IS WHERE I GIVE MY ADON HIGH 5 BECAUSE SHE IS ALL ABOUT EDUCATION TO/WITH FAMILY WHEN THEY FIRST COME SO THAT WE ARE ALL ON SAME PAGE
2016-02-18 07:46:48 PM 85cindy i meam we do not see them
2016-02-18 07:46:53 PM 85cindy mean
2016-02-18 07:46:58 PM teresab we really push education for the families and they do seem to come to us with questions. I guess it's flattering that they feel we are approachable for them.
2016-02-18 07:46:59 PM 85cindy long day
2016-02-18 07:47:08 PM melissam i see sadness but i also see a sigh of relief
2016-02-18 07:47:17 PM degestrom loss
2016-02-18 07:47:27 PM degestrom left the chat room
2016-02-18 07:47:44 PM kathyhughes Well anything else that I can help with tonight?
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2016-02-18 07:47:50 PM 85cindy I feel that somehow some way residents know their love ones are near them
2016-02-18 07:47:58 PM kathyhughes Need some rest to get over this dang cold
2016-02-18 07:48:02 PM degestrom Great chat
2016-02-18 07:48:17 PM melissam feel better Kathy!
2016-02-18 07:48:17 PM kimberly1 When we apply for the NCCAP exam can we do it online in an ADOBE File?
2016-02-18 07:48:18 PM cristinak NO MAAM IM GOOD.. HOPE YOU GET BETTER SOON KATHY
2016-02-18 07:48:21 PM 85cindy Thanks for everything Kathy..feel better.
2016-02-18 07:48:22 PM degestrom thanks all
2016-02-18 07:48:23 PM reneebragg no thank you it's been a great one!! get well soon
2016-02-18 07:48:30 PM nancyzmc Feel better Ms. Kathy . . . thanks everyone for the great chat
2016-02-18 07:48:31 PM teresab left the chat room
2016-02-18 07:48:36 PM 85cindy Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
2016-02-18 07:48:45 PM reneebragg left the chat room
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2016-02-18 07:48:54 PM 85cindy have a good week and goodnight
2016-02-18 07:49:05 PM nancyzmc Good night everyone - have a great weekend!
2016-02-18 07:49:06 PM kathyhughes You apply to NCCAP and they will send you the information to take the exam at a specific site
2016-02-18 07:49:07 PM degestrom good week to all
2016-02-18 07:49:10 PM kathyhughes near you
2016-02-18 07:49:11 PM tony03 left the chat room
2016-02-18 07:49:28 PM degestrom I hope I do not have to go to Boston
2016-02-18 07:49:35 PM teresab Thanks have a good night everyone.
2016-02-18 07:49:36 PM kathyhughes There are two companies that provide the exam
2016-02-18 07:49:43 PM 85cindy left the chat room
2016-02-18 07:49:44 PM amber5 Feel better soon Kathy.
2016-02-18 07:49:45 PM kimberly1 I see the application on line.
2016-02-18 07:49:48 PM kathyhughes I would guess not
2016-02-18 07:50:07 PM amber5 Goodnight everyone.
2016-02-18 07:50:15 PM degestrom good and good night feel better Kathy
2016-02-18 07:50:20 PM teresab left the chat room
2016-02-18 07:50:22 PM kathyhughes yep, you can use the PDF, however you have to send the $$$
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2016-02-18 07:50:26 PM kathyhughes Thanks
2016-02-18 07:50:32 PM kathyhughes Have a good week all
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2016-02-18 07:50:47 PM kathyhughes with the application
2016-02-18 07:50:50 PM rose48mary have a good week all too
2016-02-18 07:51:02 PM kathyhughes Good Night all
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2016-02-18 07:51:12 PM rose48mary see you next week let you know what happens with survey
2016-02-18 07:51:23 PM rose48mary hopefully good lol
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