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2014-04-14 05:09:17 PM terridenisetyler enter the chat room
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2014-04-15 06:37:08 PM lisam enter the chat room
2014-04-15 06:39:05 PM jenniferr enter the chat room
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2014-04-15 06:41:55 PM amberfields enter the chat room
2014-04-15 06:42:02 PM amberfields hello
2014-04-15 06:57:02 PM lisam hello amber. Looks like its you and me tonight.
2014-04-15 06:57:49 PM lisam Whats on your mind?
2014-04-15 06:58:19 PM lisam Do you work in memory care?
2014-04-15 07:01:17 PM lisam left the chat room
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2014-04-21 06:02:32 PM terridenisetyler enter the chat room
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2014-04-23 09:10:06 PM kerrid enter the chat room
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2014-04-30 05:20:30 PM amberfields enter the chat room
2014-04-30 05:21:03 PM amberfields no nin nursing home
2014-04-30 05:21:19 PM amberfields what about u
2014-04-30 05:22:32 PM amberfields i guess your not there
2014-04-30 05:33:50 PM amberfields left the chat room
2014-04-30 05:52:15 PM nancy623 enter the chat room
2014-04-30 05:52:25 PM nancy623 hello
2014-04-30 05:52:45 PM amberfields enter the chat room
2014-04-30 05:52:56 PM nancy623 hello ambers
2014-04-30 05:53:01 PM sandraguajardo enter the chat room
2014-04-30 05:53:04 PM nancy623 i think thisis where the chat is
2014-04-30 05:53:06 PM marybowden enter the chat room
2014-04-30 05:53:18 PM marybowden Hello
2014-04-30 05:53:19 PM sandraguajardo hi everyone
2014-04-30 05:53:27 PM nancy623 hi to ya all
2014-04-30 05:53:37 PM lindayoung1964 enter the chat room
2014-04-30 05:53:42 PM nancy623 i think this chat starts soon yes?
2014-04-30 05:53:42 PM amberfields hello
2014-04-30 05:53:47 PM lindayoung1964 hi
2014-04-30 05:54:07 PM amberfields what week is everyone on
2014-04-30 05:54:20 PM nancy623 week 13 here
2014-04-30 05:54:23 PM marybowden week 13
2014-04-30 05:54:33 PM amberfields week 5
2014-04-30 05:54:46 PM sandraguajardo week5
2014-04-30 05:54:53 PM nancy623 nice marywe must be in the same class
2014-04-30 05:55:26 PM marybowden I think so Nancy
2014-04-30 05:55:39 PM lindayoung1964 week 13
2014-04-30 05:55:40 PM amberfields what did u need to turn in for the midterm just the packet
2014-04-30 05:56:09 PM nancy623 i think we are
2014-04-30 05:56:20 PM nancy623 the midterm is the packet yes and then a test
2014-04-30 05:56:39 PM marybowden Yes and then post some of items to the Practicum Forum..You should see on there what to post., and the test
2014-04-30 05:56:55 PM cchase enter the chat room
2014-04-30 05:57:05 PM amberfields okay thank u
2014-04-30 05:57:06 PM cchase hello everyone!
2014-04-30 05:57:22 PM cchase yes this is the specialty chat
2014-04-30 05:57:22 PM nancy623 i cant wait tobe done for this session
2014-04-30 05:57:28 PM amberfields so how are yall liking it so far
2014-04-30 05:57:38 PM lindayoung1964 make sure you read your ftags before exam
2014-04-30 05:57:56 PM nancy623 final exam?
2014-04-30 05:58:05 PM lindayoung1964 no midterm
2014-04-30 05:58:06 PM carolad enter the chat room
2014-04-30 05:58:08 PM marybowden It's good, keeps me extra busy. :)
2014-04-30 05:58:08 PM nancy623 ftag 248 and 249
2014-04-30 05:58:11 PM cchase hello again - I am your class moderator
2014-04-30 05:58:20 PM lindayoung1964 hello
2014-04-30 05:58:22 PM sandraguajardo hi
2014-04-30 05:58:23 PM amberfields okay 5hanks
2014-04-30 05:58:25 PM cchase are you ready for this chat??
2014-04-30 05:58:29 PM amberfields hello
2014-04-30 05:58:30 PM lindayoung1964 yes
2014-04-30 05:58:32 PM nancy623 yes we are
2014-04-30 05:58:34 PM carolad Greetings From the UP of Michigan
2014-04-30 05:58:35 PM marybowden Yes
2014-04-30 05:58:38 PM nancy623 whats the topic tonight
2014-04-30 05:58:51 PM cchase neat - everyone seems very excited
2014-04-30 05:59:00 PM cchase Alzheimer's dementia
2014-04-30 05:59:05 PM nans enter the chat room
2014-04-30 05:59:13 PM cchase hello nans
2014-04-30 05:59:15 PM nancy623 ahhh i am just working on sensory carts for that
2014-04-30 05:59:22 PM cchase nice
2014-04-30 05:59:27 PM nans hi
2014-04-30 05:59:36 PM cchase okay let me get a look at who is here
2014-04-30 05:59:43 PM marybowden I have never done the room to room carts, any tips, ideas?
2014-04-30 05:59:46 PM cchase what class are you all in
2014-04-30 05:59:52 PM cchase one at a time
2014-04-30 05:59:55 PM marybowden mepap 1-0204014
2014-04-30 05:59:56 PM nancy623 what kind of faciltiy do you work in mary
2014-04-30 05:59:56 PM lindayoung1964 020414
2014-04-30 06:00:03 PM lindayoung1964 mepap 1
2014-04-30 06:00:07 PM nans mempa 1 020414
2014-04-30 06:00:15 PM carolad MEPAP II 20414
2014-04-30 06:00:15 PM marybowden Nancy I work in a nursing home, mostly long term patients
2014-04-30 06:00:16 PM sandraguajardo mepap 2 040114
2014-04-30 06:00:17 PM amberfields week 5 040114 mempap1
2014-04-30 06:00:20 PM nans 13 week
2014-04-30 06:00:28 PM cchase okay let's go over how this needs to work
2014-04-30 06:00:32 PM cchase ready??
2014-04-30 06:00:36 PM debbie134 enter the chat room
2014-04-30 06:00:40 PM amberfields yes
2014-04-30 06:00:41 PM nans with you
2014-04-30 06:00:41 PM nancy623 mepap-1 202414
2014-04-30 06:00:48 PM lindayoung1964 yes
2014-04-30 06:01:08 PM cchase alright - let's try to stay focused on the subject
2014-04-30 06:01:15 PM cchase Alzheimer's / Dementia
2014-04-30 06:01:23 PM nans ok
2014-04-30 06:01:30 PM amberfields ok
2014-04-30 06:01:30 PM cchase let's try to let each of us
2014-04-30 06:01:41 PM tondamarie enter the chat room
2014-04-30 06:01:43 PM cchase post a question or anwer
2014-04-30 06:01:48 PM cchase let;s be polite
2014-04-30 06:01:51 PM tondamarie Hello Everyone
2014-04-30 06:01:56 PM cchase hello there
2014-04-30 06:02:12 PM cchase okay - let me tell you about myself
2014-04-30 06:02:30 PM cchase I too am a former student of this class!!
2014-04-30 06:02:59 PM amberfields how do you help alzheimer,s residents if they dont want to come to a activity?
2014-04-30 06:03:02 PM cchase I am Alzheimer's/Dementia Train the Trainer certified
2014-04-30 06:03:06 PM kimholbrook enter the chat room
2014-04-30 06:03:12 PM cchase hello kim
2014-04-30 06:03:22 PM kimholbrook hello
2014-04-30 06:03:27 PM sgentry enter the chat room
2014-04-30 06:03:33 PM sgentry hi
2014-04-30 06:03:38 PM cchase I began in activities as an assistant
2014-04-30 06:03:56 PM cchase become coordinator - then Director, I am ADC certified
2014-04-30 06:04:48 PM cchase I was an Activity Director & now Program Director of an Adult Day Care center
2014-04-30 06:04:57 PM cchase Sooooo
2014-04-30 06:04:57 PM amberfields so how do u like it cchase
2014-04-30 06:05:04 PM cchase let's talk
2014-04-30 06:05:13 PM cchase how do I like what???
2014-04-30 06:05:16 PM jenniferr enter the chat room
2014-04-30 06:05:28 PM cchase hello jennifer
2014-04-30 06:05:36 PM amberfields working in adult day care
2014-04-30 06:05:37 PM jenniferr Hello everyone
2014-04-30 06:05:47 PM marybowden how can you keep alzheimers and demetia residents involved and excited about daily exercise?
2014-04-30 06:05:52 PM cchase who feels they have background working with Alz
2014-04-30 06:06:05 PM debbie134 Amber, in answer to your question, try musical activities first. Most alz. residents love to sing or at least listen to music.
2014-04-30 06:06:19 PM cchase Exercise is easy
2014-04-30 06:06:20 PM nans wish i had more backgrond and training
2014-04-30 06:06:29 PM cchase she is right about music
2014-04-30 06:06:35 PM amberfields i feel like i do
2014-04-30 06:06:38 PM debbie134 I worked for 18 months on a secured demtia wing with 75 residents.
2014-04-30 06:06:40 PM cchase but you can improve the engagement
2014-04-30 06:06:42 PM kimholbrook I used to work in an alzheimer unit years ago. Now I work in assisted living
2014-04-30 06:06:43 PM tondamarie Try to keep eye contact, calm approach
2014-04-30 06:06:48 PM carolad I use to work in a closed unit. But I do not think i was ever fully prepared
2014-04-30 06:06:55 PM cchase by using mirror techniques
2014-04-30 06:06:56 PM lindayoung1964 i have worked with them off and on for 26 years i worked as a cna for years before woking in activities
2014-04-30 06:07:00 PM marybowden Yes, that's what I need Celeste.
2014-04-30 06:07:01 PM nancy623 i work in a alzheimers unit and i have to redirect alot of behaviours'
2014-04-30 06:07:03 PM cchase have you done that??
2014-04-30 06:07:25 PM marybowden I have had them mirror what exercise I do and I try to make them fun.
2014-04-30 06:07:28 PM nans i have always worked in long care
2014-04-30 06:07:37 PM cchase great!
2014-04-30 06:07:39 PM amberfields me too
2014-04-30 06:07:52 PM amberfields 11 years
2014-04-30 06:07:53 PM cchase hold your hands up to theirs
2014-04-30 06:08:01 PM cchase let them touch
2014-04-30 06:08:02 PM nans do exercise with hats and scarfs'
2014-04-30 06:08:07 PM cchase and move to the music
2014-04-30 06:08:07 PM debbie134 Always provide positive feedback when they move at all during exercise. Make it a fun time.
2014-04-30 06:08:08 PM lindayoung1964 and they will usually hold to your hand
2014-04-30 06:08:13 PM carolad one on one approach works well
2014-04-30 06:08:14 PM jenniferr music is a key I have found. I too work in an adult daycare setting with mixed and lots of dementia
2014-04-30 06:08:22 PM nancy623 correct on themusic for thats the part of the brain dementia residents keep
2014-04-30 06:08:51 PM cchase okay so you tell me about Long term memory?
2014-04-30 06:09:03 PM amberfields yes music always does it for me
2014-04-30 06:09:20 PM nans they remember the past but not the present
2014-04-30 06:09:34 PM carolad They can not remember 5 minutes ago, but can tell you about when they were young
2014-04-30 06:09:46 PM nans they remember old songs
2014-04-30 06:09:46 PM cchase how is that??
2014-04-30 06:09:54 PM jenniferr Yes, LTC is distance past
2014-04-30 06:09:58 PM debbie134 But, there is often a bit of mixup in the long term merories
2014-04-30 06:10:02 PM nans short term memory is impaired
2014-04-30 06:10:05 PM bwaddail enter the chat room
2014-04-30 06:10:13 PM cchase let talk long term first
2014-04-30 06:10:22 PM cchase how is that they remember??
2014-04-30 06:10:32 PM nancy623 different kinds of LTM
2014-04-30 06:10:38 PM nans the good old days
2014-04-30 06:10:43 PM cchase how??
2014-04-30 06:10:46 PM jenniferr It is stored in different parts of the brain
2014-04-30 06:11:05 PM amberfields they can things that happened when they were growing up n the old days but cant remember what happen 20 minutes ago
2014-04-30 06:11:11 PM tondamarie episodic memory
2014-04-30 06:11:11 PM nancy623 episodic memory
2014-04-30 06:11:14 PM cchase not the reason they remember
2014-04-30 06:11:19 PM carolad the STM of the brain is deteriating
2014-04-30 06:11:22 PM nancy623 procedural
2014-04-30 06:11:23 PM lindayoung1964 it was when they were the happest?
2014-04-30 06:11:34 PM cchase hmmm
2014-04-30 06:11:35 PM marybowden Long term memory...they can rememer their past, before disease. It is in a different part of the brain. Reminiscing helps
2014-04-30 06:11:49 PM cchase good
2014-04-30 06:11:54 PM tondamarie semantic memory
2014-04-30 06:12:04 PM cchase they remember before the onset of the diseaase
2014-04-30 06:12:20 PM lindayoung1964 we have a tendacy to remember the good things in life,,before they became ill
2014-04-30 06:12:20 PM bwaddail When it comes to Alzheimers I was always taught like this they can tell you the recipe for banana pancakes they made growing up but can't remember that they had them for breakfast that morning
2014-04-30 06:12:38 PM cchase the memory is filed before the onset of the illness
2014-04-30 06:12:41 PM amberfields true
2014-04-30 06:12:42 PM nancy623 semantic memory i think is why they remember words to songs yet theycant have a conversation
2014-04-30 06:12:57 PM cchase yes true
2014-04-30 06:13:02 PM jenniferr Music..is one of those first experiences. Mother voice and sound
2014-04-30 06:13:13 PM cchase well
2014-04-30 06:13:17 PM tondamarie memory of meanings, understandings, and factual information
2014-04-30 06:13:29 PM cchase what happens is the brain is efficient in filing the memory
2014-04-30 06:13:38 PM cchase before the onset of the illness
2014-04-30 06:13:51 PM cchase but then the link to the filing system
2014-04-30 06:14:00 PM cchase gets damaged by the disease
2014-04-30 06:14:12 PM nancy623 i work with one woman who canttalk sentences no more but can sing every song of johny cash
2014-04-30 06:14:14 PM cchase and they can no longer file memories
2014-04-30 06:14:41 PM jenniferr I always heard the reference of an eraser across a board taking out sm section in diff. places
2014-04-30 06:14:43 PM cchase that's why they remember old songs
2014-04-30 06:14:51 PM tondamarie yes
2014-04-30 06:14:55 PM bwaddail so can scents and songs and scencery introduced after the onset of the disease linked with new events trigger memory better?
2014-04-30 06:14:58 PM amberfields because she can remember old songs
2014-04-30 06:15:07 PM marybowden I have witnessed the decline first hand with mt grandparents. It is hard to see....Aphasia, difficulty remebering faces or names.
2014-04-30 06:15:14 PM marybowden *my not mt
2014-04-30 06:15:15 PM cchase what happens is that plaques and tangles literally block access
2014-04-30 06:15:45 PM cchase yes - ultimately the disease stops the process of the body functions as well
2014-04-30 06:15:50 PM cchase it is terminal
2014-04-30 06:16:06 PM cchase okay - so what is short term memory
2014-04-30 06:16:08 PM nancy623 i am not crazy of the meds used with alzheimers
2014-04-30 06:16:46 PM tondamarie capacity for holding small amount of onformation in the mind
2014-04-30 06:16:56 PM marybowden Short term memory..I think of it as being able to remeber what happens in one day, one moment, the day to day. It's small information, current
2014-04-30 06:17:01 PM lindayoung1964 things that happened 20 min ago or maybe yeterda
2014-04-30 06:17:02 PM tondamarie available for a short period of time
2014-04-30 06:17:04 PM nancy623 meaning i think the drugs do more damage than the disease itself at times
2014-04-30 06:17:22 PM monicaholmes enter the chat room
2014-04-30 06:17:26 PM nans cant remember the last thing you were tought
2014-04-30 06:17:30 PM cchase yes - good current or recent information is short term memory
2014-04-30 06:17:33 PM jenniferr when I was younger I volunteer on an alz. wing and heard 2 people fighting. I looked in and the conversations were not with each other lying in bed just words. they were even facing away from each other.
2014-04-30 06:17:45 PM monicaholmes hi
2014-04-30 06:17:53 PM amberfields short term memory is when they can remember yesterday but not one month ago recent info
2014-04-30 06:17:56 PM carolad STM is the process of information that happened not too long ago
2014-04-30 06:18:35 PM cchase when they remember long ago - that is long term memory
2014-04-30 06:18:46 PM bwaddail Why does Alzheimer's Disease effect short term memory first?
2014-04-30 06:18:59 PM jenniferr last info in
2014-04-30 06:18:59 PM lindayoung1964 good question
2014-04-30 06:19:06 PM cchase when they remember something just five minutes ago - that is short term memory
2014-04-30 06:19:35 PM jenniferr no ability to learn new tasks
2014-04-30 06:19:43 PM cchase it affects short term memory b/c the memory can no longer be saved
2014-04-30 06:19:48 PM cchase right
2014-04-30 06:19:54 PM cchase cannot learn new tasks
2014-04-30 06:19:58 PM cchase new information
2014-04-30 06:20:10 PM cchase cannot be processed and remembered anymore
2014-04-30 06:20:30 PM cchase think about a computer
2014-04-30 06:20:34 PM bwaddail oh ok thats why retention is so hard like in therapy and safety awareness and in orientation
2014-04-30 06:20:36 PM jenniferr past information is important for patterned past routine
2014-04-30 06:20:36 PM amberfields the brain no longer is able to
2014-04-30 06:20:40 PM nans which part of the brain is affected
2014-04-30 06:20:45 PM cchase yes good
2014-04-30 06:20:57 PM carolad left the chat room
2014-04-30 06:21:13 PM cchase it affects the hippocampus
2014-04-30 06:21:14 PM carolad enter the chat room
2014-04-30 06:21:27 PM marybowden fyi I may loose connection, my internet is finicky
2014-04-30 06:21:37 PM bwaddail so what types of activities or exercises help with that any ?
2014-04-30 06:21:38 PM cchase what is the last thing left
2014-04-30 06:21:51 PM debbie134 Safety awareness would be very difficult if you cannot remember that you are no longer able to move or do what you were once able to do.
2014-04-30 06:21:53 PM nans i dont like seeing the phases they go through it is had on the families
2014-04-30 06:21:57 PM cchase okay thank for letting us know..just come back!! :)
2014-04-30 06:22:08 PM debbie134 Last things left are music and faith
2014-04-30 06:22:12 PM cchase right - safety b/c an issue
2014-04-30 06:22:22 PM cchase forgetting that the stove is hot
2014-04-30 06:22:27 PM cchase ouch!!
2014-04-30 06:22:28 PM nans familier faces
2014-04-30 06:22:44 PM cchase last thing left is emotions
2014-04-30 06:22:57 PM carolad My computer kicked me out I am back
2014-04-30 06:23:08 PM lindayoung1964 some cry and then suddenly start laughing
2014-04-30 06:23:19 PM cchase the last part of the brain holding emotions is last to be affected
2014-04-30 06:23:24 PM debbie134 The dementia resident will think of their adult children as still being young, They cannot process the concept of the child aging
2014-04-30 06:23:24 PM bwaddail I work at a new memory care facility and I struggle with this in making fullfilling activities for my residents I also have a therapy background so preservation of cognition is extremely important to me
2014-04-30 06:23:31 PM cchase right emotions run amuck!!
2014-04-30 06:23:47 PM bwaddail basically our brains revert back to basic human emotion and needs
2014-04-30 06:23:47 PM amberfields yes i see that all the time or even get mad n dont remember why they are mad
2014-04-30 06:23:48 PM cchase good - debbie
2014-04-30 06:24:19 PM lindayoung1964 or their parents dying
2014-04-30 06:24:26 PM cchase right basic human emotions
2014-04-30 06:24:30 PM lindayoung1964 that happens so much
2014-04-30 06:24:32 PM jenniferr I have seen a prases in a catholic prayer become the only words the person said. It was only the tone or volume that told gave you infor
2014-04-30 06:24:43 PM cchase so therin is the key to work with this population
2014-04-30 06:24:54 PM amberfields orvlooking for thier mom n dad
2014-04-30 06:24:56 PM cchase what do you think is the key???
2014-04-30 06:25:15 PM debbie134 Patience and living in "their" moment
2014-04-30 06:25:19 PM lindayoung1964 going to thier world if you cannot redirect
2014-04-30 06:25:35 PM bwaddail promoting emotional health and well being
2014-04-30 06:25:38 PM amberfields sorry on my phone n i can hardly see what we are talking bout or what im writing
2014-04-30 06:25:45 PM cchase patience good...living in their moment also good
2014-04-30 06:25:56 PM tondamarie patience
2014-04-30 06:26:00 PM kimholbrook staying calm
2014-04-30 06:26:00 PM jenniferr simplification of everything
2014-04-30 06:26:01 PM nans just being with them and letting them walk and talk
2014-04-30 06:26:01 PM cchase going to their world good too
2014-04-30 06:26:02 PM tondamarie calmness
2014-04-30 06:26:11 PM cchase stay calm - yes
2014-04-30 06:26:22 PM tondamarie dont take it personal
2014-04-30 06:26:25 PM cchase but what is the key??
2014-04-30 06:26:30 PM lindayoung1964 that is big so many get excited and upset the resident
2014-04-30 06:26:37 PM debbie134 let the resident know that they matter to you. A hug goes a long way.
2014-04-30 06:26:42 PM bwaddail Simplicity
2014-04-30 06:26:42 PM monicaholmes yes
2014-04-30 06:26:44 PM cchase you know the last thing is emotions - right?
2014-04-30 06:26:45 PM tondamarie key-----------give ma another hint
2014-04-30 06:26:45 PM jenniferr be calm
2014-04-30 06:26:50 PM marybowden left the chat room
2014-04-30 06:26:50 PM carolad don't try to correct them or argue
2014-04-30 06:26:51 PM lindayoung1964 staying calm and dont upset the resident
2014-04-30 06:26:55 PM nancy623 yes simplictyis good
2014-04-30 06:26:57 PM amberfields be clam
2014-04-30 06:27:04 PM nans laugh with them and let them cry if they want to
2014-04-30 06:27:12 PM amberfields agree with them
2014-04-30 06:27:24 PM cchase your getting there --- keep going with that thought
2014-04-30 06:27:42 PM nans just let them be who they are at that monent
2014-04-30 06:27:49 PM bwaddail positive reinforcement and redirection?
2014-04-30 06:27:49 PM jenniferr realize you are dealing with someone that has a life time of experiences that is now feeling and acting as if they have just arrived
2014-04-30 06:27:49 PM lindayoung1964 make the resident happy
2014-04-30 06:27:55 PM cchase okay - what emotion is most workable
2014-04-30 06:28:03 PM nans a smile
2014-04-30 06:28:03 PM lindayoung1964 happy
2014-04-30 06:28:10 PM cchase yes - happy
2014-04-30 06:28:11 PM amberfields happy
2014-04-30 06:28:12 PM carolad their world, patience, and just being there for them
2014-04-30 06:28:13 PM jenniferr happy
2014-04-30 06:28:17 PM tondamarie stay happy
2014-04-30 06:28:17 PM lindayoung1964 (H)
2014-04-30 06:28:26 PM cchase cute!!
2014-04-30 06:28:27 PM debbie134 happiness and feeling loved
2014-04-30 06:28:28 PM tondamarie in my phareel voice
2014-04-30 06:28:33 PM cchase now put this together
2014-04-30 06:28:49 PM cchase emotions + good behavior + cooperation
2014-04-30 06:28:59 PM nans smile be happy and walk with them
2014-04-30 06:29:02 PM cchase yes
2014-04-30 06:29:12 PM jenniferr i like that
2014-04-30 06:29:16 PM nancy623 key to me working with alzhemiers is thinking with them , being that part that is missing as your tool
2014-04-30 06:29:17 PM bwaddail happy team lol
2014-04-30 06:29:26 PM jenniferr yes
2014-04-30 06:29:36 PM bwaddail thinking with them was awesome
2014-04-30 06:29:45 PM jenniferr i agree
2014-04-30 06:29:48 PM cchase the key is to use emotions b/c that what they have left
2014-04-30 06:29:58 PM nancy623 thats just what i try to do
2014-04-30 06:30:09 PM carolad amen to that
2014-04-30 06:30:09 PM lindayoung1964 yes so do i
2014-04-30 06:30:11 PM bwaddail give examples please

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