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2015-03-25 06:14:22 PM kimlin I'm guessing the Brain feeds off the short term
2015-03-25 06:14:27 PM cchase let me ask in a different way -- what is happening to them that causes their behavior
2015-03-25 06:14:41 PM kimlin Dementia
2015-03-25 06:15:04 PM salitadean dementia
2015-03-25 06:15:04 PM jmosley4 short term memory is not there but they have thier long term
2015-03-25 06:15:11 PM kimlin the brain shrinks
2015-03-25 06:15:18 PM cchase yes dementia - but what is physically going on r/t to the disease
2015-03-25 06:15:23 PM salitadean yes the brain shrink
2015-03-25 06:15:46 PM kimlin makes it less to hold memory
2015-03-25 06:15:57 PM cchase yes brain does shrink - good what else is going on which affect short term or long term memory
2015-03-25 06:15:59 PM kimlin losses brain cells
2015-03-25 06:16:04 PM kimlin tissues???
2015-03-25 06:16:08 PM jmosley4 neurological disorder
2015-03-25 06:16:08 PM hktdsch04 memory loss
2015-03-25 06:16:41 PM jmosley4 the brain cells is dying
2015-03-25 06:16:58 PM salitadean confsusion
2015-03-25 06:17:04 PM cchase okay - so let's take a look at this
2015-03-25 06:17:09 PM salitadean sorry confusion
2015-03-25 06:17:10 PM hktdsch04 short term memory is the first to go
2015-03-25 06:17:22 PM jmosley4 their cognitive is declining
2015-03-25 06:17:57 PM cchase yes - brain shrinks.. yes cells are affected but what happens is that the neurons cannot communicate
2015-03-25 06:18:13 PM dbancroft there is a built up of something??
2015-03-25 06:18:22 PM kimlin oh wow
2015-03-25 06:18:27 PM cchase messages are not rec'd as they should be
2015-03-25 06:18:49 PM cchase yes - good build up of plaques and tangles
2015-03-25 06:19:02 PM kimlin no wonder there words are so tangled
2015-03-25 06:19:07 PM dbancroft yes ,,,,tangles,,,,now i rememeber...lol
2015-03-25 06:19:08 PM cchase imagine a sewing thread that gets tangled up
2015-03-25 06:19:23 PM kimlin their words get so tangled, almost like a stroke patient
2015-03-25 06:19:25 PM dbancroft i couldnt remember what they were called'
2015-03-25 06:19:26 PM cchase equate it to an electrical wire
2015-03-25 06:19:41 PM salitadean oh wow wonderful
2015-03-25 06:19:54 PM kimlin wow, can it run in the family???
2015-03-25 06:20:11 PM cchase if you take a straight wire the single goes quickly to where it is suppose to go
2015-03-25 06:20:12 PM kimlin I heard that it can become inherited
2015-03-25 06:20:21 PM salitadean yes they talk non-sensical
2015-03-25 06:20:38 PM cchase if you take a wire with a crimp (tanlge) the electrical message gets stuck
2015-03-25 06:20:57 PM salitadean yes it does
2015-03-25 06:21:01 PM jmosley4 some times you dont understand what they are trying to say
2015-03-25 06:21:01 PM kimlin Wow, never thought of it that way
2015-03-25 06:21:10 PM cchase your probabilty is a higher risk
2015-03-25 06:21:14 PM dbancroft that a good way to explain that
2015-03-25 06:21:17 PM christinacochran that is a good way to put it
2015-03-25 06:21:24 PM kimlin yes
2015-03-25 06:21:38 PM cchase yes this picture of a wire works
2015-03-25 06:21:45 PM jmosley4 ok
2015-03-25 06:22:02 PM cchase soooo.. with that why do you think they have trouble with words??
2015-03-25 06:22:05 PM salitadean never thought about that
2015-03-25 06:22:32 PM christinacochran they cant get what they want to say from their brain to their mouth
2015-03-25 06:22:33 PM kimlin I feel that each of us may oneday either have Alzheimers or Dementia, is this true
2015-03-25 06:22:35 PM jmosley4 they cant put thing together
2015-03-25 06:22:35 PM dbancroft they get stuck at the crimp...lol
2015-03-25 06:22:36 PM salitadean mind/cells donnt work toghether
2015-03-25 06:22:41 PM hktdsch04 they can't say what they are thinking
2015-03-25 06:22:49 PM cchase yes christina
2015-03-25 06:23:15 PM cchase they know at some early point in the disease what they want to say
2015-03-25 06:23:33 PM kimlin because the older your brain, is it true the memory leaves
2015-03-25 06:23:42 PM cchase but it does not come out they way they expected --pretty frustrating no??
2015-03-25 06:24:12 PM christinacochran it is so s hard to be with them at the beging because they know something is wrong
2015-03-25 06:24:19 PM cchase yes
2015-03-25 06:24:29 PM kimlin I agree Christine
2015-03-25 06:24:32 PM cchase they often hide it from their families
2015-03-25 06:24:42 PM cchase till they no longer can hide it
2015-03-25 06:24:47 PM dbancroft never thought if it like that but true
2015-03-25 06:24:50 PM jmosley4 they eventually they forget every thing
2015-03-25 06:24:55 PM christinacochran then they see other reisdents who are farther down the road and some time they just give up
2015-03-25 06:25:06 PM kimlin it's very sad, to watch them get so frustrated, but afraid and confused at the same time
2015-03-25 06:25:07 PM cchase okay so let's talk about forgetting
2015-03-25 06:25:33 PM kimlin well I think we all have a small amount of that
2015-03-25 06:25:42 PM christinacochran yea!!!!
2015-03-25 06:25:43 PM cchase why do you think they forget?? now take the info I gave you about the wire - use it to answer
2015-03-25 06:25:55 PM dbancroft i forgot what you said....lol..jk
2015-03-25 06:26:03 PM kimlin like a shortage in the wire
2015-03-25 06:26:07 PM salitadean doesnt go thru the right channel
2015-03-25 06:26:22 PM kimlin like a volt
2015-03-25 06:26:25 PM dbancroft it gets stuck at the crimp
2015-03-25 06:26:39 PM jmosley4 they forget things that just happend but they may remember were they work and kids
2015-03-25 06:26:48 PM christinacochran the message gets sent out it get stuck and by the time it is sent back to the brain it is lost
2015-03-25 06:26:53 PM cchase stuck - so is it that they forget or something else?
2015-03-25 06:27:07 PM kimlin something else
2015-03-25 06:27:21 PM dbancroft forget
2015-03-25 06:27:24 PM christinacochran no it is gone
2015-03-25 06:27:48 PM jmosley4 forget
2015-03-25 06:27:54 PM cchase the message is NOT forgotten because the brain never got it in the first place
2015-03-25 06:28:05 PM dbancroft ahhhh..
2015-03-25 06:28:12 PM jmosley4 ok
2015-03-25 06:28:15 PM kimlin duh
2015-03-25 06:28:16 PM salitadean ok
2015-03-25 06:29:02 PM cchase simply put - they cannot never can store it to recall b/c it does not get to where it is suppose to go!
2015-03-25 06:29:18 PM kimlin make sense
2015-03-25 06:29:24 PM salitadean yes
2015-03-25 06:29:30 PM dbancroft wow....
2015-03-25 06:29:38 PM cchase so - activities need to be simple yes???
2015-03-25 06:29:54 PM kimlin thats why it's like learning over and over again, but never cathes on??
2015-03-25 06:29:56 PM jmosley4 i understand thats why they may ask the same thing over and over
2015-03-25 06:30:02 PM kimlin very simple
2015-03-25 06:30:09 PM salitadean makes sense
2015-03-25 06:30:20 PM salitadean and short
2015-03-25 06:30:25 PM dbancroft a new way to look at it for me
2015-03-25 06:30:25 PM cchase yes - yes now you got it! :P
2015-03-25 06:30:26 PM kimlin broken down step by step
2015-03-25 06:30:46 PM hktdsch04 easy
2015-03-25 06:30:49 PM salitadean they have short span?
2015-03-25 06:30:52 PM cchase step by step b/c it cannot be stored to recall
2015-03-25 06:31:07 PM christinacochran step by step
2015-03-25 06:31:08 PM cchase okay so let's discuss short term vs long term
2015-03-25 06:31:16 PM jmosley4 ok
2015-03-25 06:31:18 PM kimlin right I learned that in an alzheimers class one day
2015-03-25 06:31:22 PM cchase ready??
2015-03-25 06:31:27 PM dbancroft we have both
2015-03-25 06:31:30 PM salitadean yes
2015-03-25 06:31:37 PM kimlin Short term
2015-03-25 06:31:40 PM kimlin long term
2015-03-25 06:31:51 PM salitadean short term
2015-03-25 06:31:55 PM jmosley4 yes
2015-03-25 06:32:05 PM cchase which presents first with problems that are noticed
2015-03-25 06:32:20 PM kimlin long term
2015-03-25 06:32:25 PM hktdsch04 short term
2015-03-25 06:32:34 PM cchase I have two answers
2015-03-25 06:32:47 PM kimlin both
2015-03-25 06:32:50 PM kimlin lol
2015-03-25 06:32:53 PM jmosley4 short term
2015-03-25 06:32:55 PM cchase support your answer by telling me why
2015-03-25 06:32:59 PM salitadean long term
2015-03-25 06:33:19 PM dbancroft not sure i understand question
2015-03-25 06:33:19 PM christinacochran longterm because we know how the residents acts
2015-03-25 06:33:29 PM kimlin I feel that long term is usually the hardest because the mind remembers the past??
2015-03-25 06:33:36 PM christinacochran and can see a change better then somone we dont know
2015-03-25 06:33:39 PM salitadean they can verbalized what is going on but they are only long term
2015-03-25 06:33:49 PM hktdsch04 new memorys can't make it to that part of the brain due to the krimp
2015-03-25 06:33:51 PM hktdsch04 in the wire
2015-03-25 06:34:00 PM cchase you can answer this question
2015-03-25 06:34:05 PM jmosley4 when they are doing something that they have been doing for years they cant remember how
2015-03-25 06:34:08 PM cchase let's go back to that wire
2015-03-25 06:34:11 PM kimlin Long Term care, because the memory is not long term
2015-03-25 06:34:18 PM kimlin the wire
2015-03-25 06:34:35 PM cchase before we had problems with it - could messages get where they need to go??
2015-03-25 06:34:42 PM kimlin yes
2015-03-25 06:34:43 PM salitadean ok the wire
2015-03-25 06:34:44 PM christinacochran yes
2015-03-25 06:34:46 PM hktdsch04 yes
2015-03-25 06:34:47 PM cchase okay
2015-03-25 06:35:00 PM jmosley4 ok
2015-03-25 06:35:01 PM dbancroft yes
2015-03-25 06:35:11 PM cchase so now we have problems with delivering the message yes??
2015-03-25 06:35:16 PM hktdsch04 yes
2015-03-25 06:35:16 PM christinacochran yes
2015-03-25 06:35:18 PM kimlin yes
2015-03-25 06:35:19 PM dbancroft yes
2015-03-25 06:35:20 PM salitadean ye
2015-03-25 06:35:23 PM jmosley4 yes
2015-03-25 06:36:00 PM cchase okay good - so before we had problems with it - we got the message and stored them where it is suppose to go
2015-03-25 06:36:10 PM kimlin right
2015-03-25 06:36:10 PM christinacochran yea
2015-03-25 06:36:15 PM dbancroft yes
2015-03-25 06:36:17 PM hktdsch04 yes
2015-03-25 06:36:20 PM cchase but after we had problems with the wire we could not do this
2015-03-25 06:36:27 PM hktdsch04 right
2015-03-25 06:36:32 PM jmosley4 right
2015-03-25 06:36:34 PM dbancroft correct
2015-03-25 06:36:45 PM salitadean correct
2015-03-25 06:37:13 PM cchase can you follow ....before okay (long term memory) after no longer works (short term memory)
2015-03-25 06:37:36 PM kimlin yep
2015-03-25 06:37:40 PM dbancroft yes
2015-03-25 06:37:41 PM cchase long term is from the past - sometime ago before the wire messed up - we got those memories to recall
2015-03-25 06:37:51 PM hktdsch04 right
2015-03-25 06:38:01 PM jmosley4 ok
2015-03-25 06:38:03 PM cchase now we cannot store anything b/c the wire can't deliver
2015-03-25 06:38:03 PM christinacochran okay I see what you were asking now
2015-03-25 06:38:09 PM salitadean oh my
2015-03-25 06:38:11 PM dbancroft corrext
2015-03-25 06:38:13 PM kimlin thats a good way to look at it, I knida knew that
2015-03-25 06:38:20 PM jmosley4 ok
2015-03-25 06:38:25 PM cchase so short term memory goes first yes??
2015-03-25 06:38:30 PM hktdsch04 yes
2015-03-25 06:38:34 PM kimlin about long term, thats why they call it Long term care
2015-03-25 06:38:36 PM christinacochran yes
2015-03-25 06:38:36 PM jmosley4 yes
2015-03-25 06:38:37 PM dbancroft so cool
2015-03-25 06:38:42 PM kimlin for the dementia
2015-03-25 06:39:00 PM cchase you tell me to take the cup on the counter and put it in the cabinet
2015-03-25 06:39:10 PM cchase how much of that do I remember??
2015-03-25 06:39:17 PM christinacochran the cup
2015-03-25 06:39:17 PM dbancroft none
2015-03-25 06:39:17 PM hktdsch04 the cup
2015-03-25 06:39:19 PM salitadean cup
2015-03-25 06:39:20 PM kimlin cup
2015-03-25 06:39:25 PM christinacochran or even just my name
2015-03-25 06:39:25 PM jmosley4 none
2015-03-25 06:39:28 PM cchase yes - maybe remember cup
2015-03-25 06:39:36 PM kimlin because it's a visual
2015-03-25 06:39:57 PM cchase maybe not - but the part of putting it in the cabinet - well -- not so much
2015-03-25 06:40:07 PM salitadean short
2015-03-25 06:40:07 PM christinacochran yea
2015-03-25 06:40:27 PM cchase it's audio - & visual
2015-03-25 06:40:33 PM kimlin right
2015-03-25 06:40:49 PM cchase that's why you will heard stories fromm long ago
2015-03-25 06:40:56 PM cchase reminiscing
2015-03-25 06:40:58 PM kimlin right
2015-03-25 06:41:03 PM kimlin reminiscing
2015-03-25 06:41:10 PM kimlin they love it, kno it
2015-03-25 06:41:21 PM kimlin know it too
2015-03-25 06:41:26 PM kimlin familiar
2015-03-25 06:41:26 PM cchase those memories where there before the onset of the disease thus can be recalled
2015-03-25 06:41:29 PM dbancroft so how do they remember to fold clothes
2015-03-25 06:41:34 PM kimlin right
2015-03-25 06:41:36 PM jmosley4 they love to reminisce
2015-03-25 06:41:40 PM cchase good questions.
2015-03-25 06:41:41 PM dbancroft ahhh...got it
2015-03-25 06:41:43 PM christinacochran they used to do it
2015-03-25 06:41:57 PM kimlin they were folding clothes most of their lives
2015-03-25 06:42:08 PM cchase they fold b/c it may have been something they did a long time ago
2015-03-25 06:42:19 PM cchase eventually they forget that too
2015-03-25 06:42:25 PM christinacochran yes they do
2015-03-25 06:42:30 PM salitadean okay
2015-03-25 06:42:35 PM kimlin or even for the men they can still shave themselves with some assitance
2015-03-25 06:42:35 PM dbancroft and another reason thye love to hold baby dolls
2015-03-25 06:42:45 PM cchase the plaques & tangles mess it up eventually
2015-03-25 06:42:52 PM kimlin right
2015-03-25 06:42:53 PM cchase yes love babies yes
2015-03-25 06:42:57 PM jmosley4 ok
2015-03-25 06:43:01 PM salitadean call all men their husband
2015-03-25 06:43:06 PM cchase make sense??
2015-03-25 06:43:09 PM christinacochran yes
2015-03-25 06:43:14 PM hktdsch04 yes
2015-03-25 06:43:15 PM kimlin yes makes perfect sense
2015-03-25 06:43:29 PM cchase yes - I have been a mother, father, sister, cousin, aunt
2015-03-25 06:43:39 PM dbancroft love that were dotting the i ..lol
2015-03-25 06:43:39 PM cchase :D
2015-03-25 06:43:41 PM kimlin me too
2015-03-25 06:43:43 PM jmosley4 most women love baby dolls
2015-03-25 06:43:48 PM salitadean in my dementia unit their one resident she keep cleaning the unit
2015-03-25 06:44:01 PM cchase let her clean
2015-03-25 06:44:06 PM kimlin right
2015-03-25 06:44:06 PM cchase that is good
2015-03-25 06:44:13 PM dbancroft we have that too
2015-03-25 06:44:25 PM kimlin even the men still looks for their cars
2015-03-25 06:44:31 PM dbancroft she even cleans the other residents...lol
2015-03-25 06:44:32 PM salitadean we do that she wont take any cloth does with her hand
2015-03-25 06:45:03 PM cchase so let's discuss how we can use this info with a little more knowledge about the disease - ready??
2015-03-25 06:45:11 PM christinacochran yes
2015-03-25 06:45:13 PM hktdsch04 ready
2015-03-25 06:45:15 PM jmosley4 yes
2015-03-25 06:45:17 PM kimlin Ready
2015-03-25 06:45:18 PM dbancroft yep
2015-03-25 06:45:19 PM salitadean ready
2015-03-25 06:45:30 PM salitadean oh wow i like this
2015-03-25 06:45:40 PM kimlin very good knowledge
2015-03-25 06:46:12 PM jmosley4 there is always good information on chats
2015-03-25 06:46:29 PM cchase okay - so there is a part of the brain that is the last to be affected... what do you think that might be - what part or what function holds out till the end??
2015-03-25 06:46:33 PM kimlin it's good for you to have memory supplies for them at all time
2015-03-25 06:46:55 PM kimlin taste
2015-03-25 06:47:04 PM christinacochran hearing
2015-03-25 06:47:07 PM cchase more
2015-03-25 06:47:15 PM cchase what else
2015-03-25 06:47:22 PM kimlin feelings
2015-03-25 06:47:26 PM salitadean doing thingss
2015-03-25 06:47:26 PM dbancroft hearing
2015-03-25 06:47:26 PM cchase yes
2015-03-25 06:47:32 PM salitadean feelings
2015-03-25 06:47:34 PM cchase good who said feeling
2015-03-25 06:47:38 PM kimlin i did
2015-03-25 06:47:40 PM cchase yes emotions
2015-03-25 06:47:44 PM cchase good job
2015-03-25 06:47:56 PM hktdsch04 hearing
2015-03-25 06:47:56 PM kimlin ({)
2015-03-25 06:47:59 PM jmosley4 pleasure
2015-03-25 06:48:04 PM cchase the part of the brain that holds emotions is last to be affected
2015-03-25 06:48:05 PM kimlin Great
2015-03-25 06:48:21 PM salitadean give them love
2015-03-25 06:48:23 PM cchase so you know this - how do you make it work for you??
2015-03-25 06:48:27 PM kimlin no wonder they are very emotional, crying all the time
2015-03-25 06:48:44 PM dbancroft is that why we have a resident that cries very easyly
2015-03-25 06:49:00 PM cchase yes - likely so
2015-03-25 06:49:06 PM kimlin Provide them with memory boxes
2015-03-25 06:49:11 PM cchase so how do you use that??
2015-03-25 06:49:12 PM salitadean be gentle
2015-03-25 06:49:16 PM dbancroft connect on a persona level
2015-03-25 06:49:23 PM kimlin approach needs to be calm
2015-03-25 06:49:28 PM jmosley4 be nice
2015-03-25 06:49:29 PM kimlin understanding
2015-03-25 06:49:31 PM hktdsch04 be patient
2015-03-25 06:49:34 PM kimlin and sensitive
2015-03-25 06:49:38 PM kimlin patience
2015-03-25 06:49:38 PM salitadean empathy
2015-03-25 06:49:41 PM christinacochran tall of the above lol
2015-03-25 06:49:43 PM kimlin empathy
2015-03-25 06:49:44 PM christinacochran all
2015-03-25 06:49:50 PM cchase all good things
2015-03-25 06:50:02 PM cchase the key is this
2015-03-25 06:50:03 PM kimlin positive
2015-03-25 06:50:25 PM salitadean re-directiomn
2015-03-25 06:50:26 PM cchase they feel - that's all - they feel
2015-03-25 06:50:36 PM salitadean sorry re-direction
2015-03-25 06:50:50 PM cchase they do not know why they are sad, mad, angry but they feel it
2015-03-25 06:51:03 PM dbancroft wow....
2015-03-25 06:51:03 PM kimlin confusing to them
2015-03-25 06:51:04 PM cchase the brain cannot rationalize what they feel
2015-03-25 06:51:08 PM salitadean yes makes me sad
2015-03-25 06:51:10 PM kimlin then becomes angry
2015-03-25 06:51:16 PM cchase it is there - it exists
2015-03-25 06:51:18 PM jmosley4 they are confused
2015-03-25 06:51:23 PM salitadean sometimes they make me cry
2015-03-25 06:51:42 PM cchase do not know what they are angry about but man...they can be pretty angry - yes??
2015-03-25 06:51:45 PM salitadean I feel like brinnging them home with me
2015-03-25 06:51:53 PM cchase :@
2015-03-25 06:51:55 PM christinacochran heck yea they can
2015-03-25 06:51:57 PM kimlin yes
2015-03-25 06:52:04 PM hktdsch04 yeah they do
2015-03-25 06:52:09 PM kimlin and gets more frustrated
2015-03-25 06:52:21 PM cchase yet they do not have a clue as to why
2015-03-25 06:52:27 PM dbancroft do you work mostly with Alz.
2015-03-25 06:52:55 PM cchase over the years... I have indeed many, many, many with Alzheimer''s
2015-03-25 06:53:02 PM jmosley4 they will be nice then get mad out the blue
2015-03-25 06:53:16 PM dbancroft this conversation makes me want to get more involved with Alz, side
2015-03-25 06:53:17 PM cchase so how do we use that ??
2015-03-25 06:53:24 PM sfontenot enter the chat room
2015-03-25 06:53:35 PM hktdsch04 sensory activities
2015-03-25 06:53:43 PM christinacochran MUSIC
2015-03-25 06:53:52 PM jmosley4 be nice to them
2015-03-25 06:53:55 PM sfontenot sorry im late just got in from
2015-03-25 06:53:56 PM kimlin stimulation, reminiscing
2015-03-25 06:53:57 PM dbancroft familiar things
2015-03-25 06:54:00 PM sfontenot work
2015-03-25 06:54:08 PM salitadean walking them out in the patio
2015-03-25 06:54:14 PM kimlin pictures of familty
2015-03-25 06:54:17 PM cchase wow that is the nicest compliment - thank you - if you're learning cause desire to work with this population - I am doing something of worth
2015-03-25 06:54:21 PM kimlin family photos
2015-03-25 06:54:24 PM salitadean small talks
2015-03-25 06:55:07 PM cchase how do we use this - keep them happy.. they are less combative
2015-03-25 06:55:16 PM cchase less behavior issues
2015-03-25 06:55:19 PM dbancroft i love that population but now i want more...
2015-03-25 06:55:20 PM kimlin yes, sometimes
2015-03-25 06:55:23 PM cchase more compliant
2015-03-25 06:55:38 PM kimlin yes great approaches
2015-03-25 06:55:44 PM jmosley4 being nice
2015-03-25 06:55:44 PM cchase walk in with a smile dispite having a bad day
2015-03-25 06:55:44 PM sfontenot i have so many resident that have altizheimers and talking to the is so interesting
2015-03-25 06:55:56 PM cchase be sincere though
2015-03-25 06:56:03 PM cchase they are highly intuitive
2015-03-25 06:56:05 PM kimlin yes
2015-03-25 06:56:09 PM salitadean yes

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