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2014-07-06 08:50:13 PM sandy enter the chat room
2014-07-06 08:50:32 PM sandy hi
2014-07-06 08:52:58 PM sandy i know that there is stage one and stage 2and stage 3 and 4
2014-07-06 08:54:52 PM sandy stage 2 minimal impairment,3early confusion,4late confusion
2014-07-06 09:03:18 PM sandy it can be dificult with loved ones with this disease.need to find out individule needs .activities could be sorting blocks,play doughgood exercise for hands.color paint, fresh air, smells buttons bag with diffrent items such as cotton balls golf balls socks etc and tell you what they are.
2014-07-06 09:03:51 PM sandy hello??
2014-07-06 09:11:12 PM sandy left the chat room
2014-07-07 05:53:31 PM lakeisha enter the chat room
2014-07-07 05:55:55 PM lakeisha Hello..looks like im early lol.
2014-07-07 06:04:48 PM lakeisha left the chat room
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2014-07-07 06:20:02 PM hktdsch04 enter the chat room
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2014-07-07 06:44:20 PM sandy enter the chat room
2014-07-07 06:44:44 PM sandy hello
2014-07-07 06:47:11 PM lakeisha left the chat room
2014-07-07 06:47:13 PM sandy left the chat room
2014-07-22 04:02:51 PM margarethrabal enter the chat room
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2014-07-30 05:47:24 PM fkirchgater enter the chat room
2014-07-30 05:47:52 PM fkirchgater left the chat room
2014-07-30 05:48:50 PM susanw enter the chat room
2014-07-30 05:49:50 PM fkirchgater enter the chat room
2014-07-30 05:49:57 PM fkirchgater hello?
2014-07-30 05:52:30 PM janice13 enter the chat room
2014-07-30 05:52:41 PM fkirchgater hey janice
2014-07-30 05:52:50 PM janice13 hello how are all of you doing
2014-07-30 05:52:58 PM susanw Hello
2014-07-30 05:53:03 PM janice13 hello
2014-07-30 05:53:10 PM fkirchgater great here
2014-07-30 05:53:28 PM jean1 enter the chat room
2014-07-30 05:53:35 PM susanw Good nearly at the end of the course.
2014-07-30 05:53:43 PM fkirchgater halfway for me
2014-07-30 05:53:52 PM janice13 i still have quite a bit for the final
2014-07-30 05:54:13 PM susanw I have enjoyed it. learned a lot.
2014-07-30 05:54:25 PM fkirchgater me too
2014-07-30 05:54:37 PM janice13 so have I
2014-07-30 05:55:18 PM fkirchgater i wonder where Celeste is?
2014-07-30 05:55:21 PM janice13 so much information to use
2014-07-30 05:55:42 PM susanw I have to do more hours before I can take the national exam
2014-07-30 05:55:54 PM janice13 for your direcrtors
2014-07-30 05:56:17 PM janice13 i have more hours to ut in as well and another class
2014-07-30 05:56:29 PM susanw Yes. I am worried that I may forget some of the stuff for the exam
2014-07-30 05:56:48 PM janice13 me too, tht is why i made notebooks for each week and class
2014-07-30 05:57:12 PM susanw what a good idea. I may have to do the same.
2014-07-30 05:57:30 PM terridenisetyler enter the chat room
2014-07-30 05:57:49 PM janice13 hello terri
2014-07-30 05:57:55 PM terridenisetyler Hi!
2014-07-30 05:58:02 PM susanw Hi Terri
2014-07-30 05:58:07 PM terridenisetyler HI
2014-07-30 05:58:22 PM terridenisetyler what are we talking about?
2014-07-30 05:58:29 PM janice13 don't know yet
2014-07-30 05:58:42 PM johndavid enter the chat room
2014-07-30 05:58:43 PM fkirchgater waiting on instructor
2014-07-30 05:58:48 PM terridenisetyler okay
2014-07-30 05:59:08 PM terridenisetyler what class are ya'll in?
2014-07-30 05:59:12 PM janicewatts enter the chat room
2014-07-30 05:59:14 PM janice13 MEPAP 2
2014-07-30 05:59:19 PM fkirchgater me2-060314
2014-07-30 05:59:22 PM terridenisetyler me too
2014-07-30 05:59:24 PM susanw MEPAP 2
2014-07-30 05:59:26 PM janice13 05062014
2014-07-30 05:59:30 PM terridenisetyler 070114
2014-07-30 05:59:37 PM susanw 050614
2014-07-30 05:59:45 PM jean1 ME1-070114
2014-07-30 05:59:45 PM johndavid 060314
2014-07-30 05:59:55 PM terridenisetyler where are ya'll from?
2014-07-30 05:59:58 PM janicewatts 060314
2014-07-30 06:00:00 PM fkirchgater texas
2014-07-30 06:00:01 PM terridenisetyler Texas
2014-07-30 06:00:03 PM janice13 Virginia
2014-07-30 06:00:06 PM susanw Austin TX
2014-07-30 06:00:09 PM jean1 Wisconsin
2014-07-30 06:00:11 PM johndavid virginia
2014-07-30 06:00:13 PM janicewatts mt vernon ohio
2014-07-30 06:00:17 PM terridenisetyler Love Austin!
2014-07-30 06:00:18 PM janice13 where at John
2014-07-30 06:00:29 PM johndavid blacksburg. You?
2014-07-30 06:00:34 PM janice13 Alexandria
2014-07-30 06:00:43 PM janice13 you are by VT
2014-07-30 06:00:47 PM susanw Me too Terri. I have lived here for 10 years. Originally from England.
2014-07-30 06:00:50 PM scarrejo1026 enter the chat room
2014-07-30 06:00:52 PM cchase enter the chat room
2014-07-30 06:00:54 PM johndavid roughly about a mile
2014-07-30 06:00:58 PM janice13 cool
2014-07-30 06:01:03 PM cchase hello everyone
2014-07-30 06:01:11 PM scarrejo1026 hello everyone
2014-07-30 06:01:12 PM janice13 nice campus, my son went and looked at their school
2014-07-30 06:01:14 PM terridenisetyler Wow Love it, I use to live there
2014-07-30 06:01:16 PM jean1 Hello, Celeste.
2014-07-30 06:01:17 PM janice13 hello
2014-07-30 06:01:28 PM fkirchgater hey celeste
2014-07-30 06:01:29 PM susanw Where are you now?
2014-07-30 06:01:31 PM terridenisetyler From Galveston now
2014-07-30 06:01:33 PM cchase how are all of you doingg??
2014-07-30 06:01:41 PM susanw Love Galveston
2014-07-30 06:01:41 PM johndavid great! yourself?
2014-07-30 06:01:42 PM cchase ha ha
2014-07-30 06:01:44 PM fkirchgater great!
2014-07-30 06:01:44 PM janice13 good
2014-07-30 06:01:45 PM terridenisetyler hey cchase
2014-07-30 06:01:55 PM janicewatts great
2014-07-30 06:01:58 PM cchase celeste will do
2014-07-30 06:02:04 PM jean1 Good. Busy day!
2014-07-30 06:02:26 PM terridenisetyler Any one have state lately?
2014-07-30 06:02:29 PM cchase are you all experts in Alzheimer's/demetia??
2014-07-30 06:02:31 PM janice13 I have a question about activities for the residents
2014-07-30 06:02:35 PM janicewatts busy day for me too
2014-07-30 06:02:38 PM janice13 not yet
2014-07-30 06:02:51 PM fkirchgater um i am no expert lol
2014-07-30 06:03:01 PM janice13 i am putting together a box of activities for the staff to have on hand when we are not there
2014-07-30 06:03:04 PM susanw I work with dementia too. Not an expert NO
2014-07-30 06:03:04 PM terridenisetyler How many Resident's do ya"ll have?
2014-07-30 06:03:05 PM jean1 I am not an expert by any means! Just take it a minute at a time with my residents with Alzheimers and try to be in their world.
2014-07-30 06:03:24 PM fkirchgater 57 and 14 of which are on my secure unit
2014-07-30 06:03:29 PM janice13 total 450, Health care and memory 87
2014-07-30 06:03:29 PM cchase just kidding - I have been working with that population for over ten years and still learn something new
2014-07-30 06:03:31 PM terridenisetyler 143
2014-07-30 06:03:32 PM janicewatts 43
2014-07-30 06:03:38 PM terridenisetyler 450 wow
2014-07-30 06:03:38 PM scarrejo1026 70
2014-07-30 06:03:39 PM susanw 96 total
2014-07-30 06:03:55 PM johndavid 120 total, 16 memory care unit
2014-07-30 06:04:03 PM jean1 55 counting our assisted living.
2014-07-30 06:04:05 PM terridenisetyler wow
2014-07-30 06:04:06 PM janice13 we are a full care faciltiy from independent to assisted living, health care and memory unit
2014-07-30 06:04:09 PM cchase so I am your moderator for tonight
2014-07-30 06:04:20 PM janice13 ok what are we talking about
2014-07-30 06:04:22 PM terridenisetyler ok good
2014-07-30 06:04:30 PM cchase I was a student just like you folks
2014-07-30 06:04:32 PM janicewatts ok good
2014-07-30 06:04:34 PM janice13 when
2014-07-30 06:04:50 PM cchase almost two years ago ---wow how times flies
2014-07-30 06:04:59 PM terridenisetyler sure does
2014-07-30 06:05:02 PM johndavid im dreading the national exam
2014-07-30 06:05:02 PM janice13 so now you are the expert
2014-07-30 06:05:16 PM cchase (lol) no way
2014-07-30 06:05:22 PM terridenisetyler lol
2014-07-30 06:05:44 PM cchase it's the kind of illness that is different from one person to another
2014-07-30 06:05:49 PM janice13 it would take us years to be experts
2014-07-30 06:05:59 PM terridenisetyler different stages?
2014-07-30 06:06:01 PM fkirchgater amen1
2014-07-30 06:06:06 PM cchase because it doesn't take the same map of decline
2014-07-30 06:06:08 PM janicewatts so can we talk about huntington's chorea
2014-07-30 06:06:18 PM johndavid thats generally what i understand about the illness. its effects each individual differently
2014-07-30 06:06:33 PM fkirchgater yep me too
2014-07-30 06:06:34 PM cchase let's first discuss Alzheimer's
2014-07-30 06:06:39 PM janice13 ok
2014-07-30 06:06:41 PM terridenisetyler ok
2014-07-30 06:06:49 PM janicewatts ok
2014-07-30 06:06:52 PM scarrejo1026 ok
2014-07-30 06:06:58 PM cchase do you all know how it affects the brain??
2014-07-30 06:07:07 PM terridenisetyler no
2014-07-30 06:07:10 PM johndavid it slowly shrinks it
2014-07-30 06:07:19 PM cchase right John
2014-07-30 06:07:21 PM fkirchgater to be honest, no
2014-07-30 06:07:24 PM janicewatts no
2014-07-30 06:07:27 PM terridenisetyler Is a sad thing
2014-07-30 06:07:44 PM janice13 it wipes the memory out and takes away abilities to function
2014-07-30 06:07:54 PM terridenisetyler awe...
2014-07-30 06:07:56 PM cchase do you know how it prevents the brain from communicating like it suppose to??
2014-07-30 06:07:58 PM johndavid its like their brain is going back in time
2014-07-30 06:08:03 PM terridenisetyler no
2014-07-30 06:08:12 PM scarrejo1026 no
2014-07-30 06:08:14 PM cchase it doesn't really wipe out the memory
2014-07-30 06:08:21 PM johndavid something about plaques that prevent the messages from being sent and recieved
2014-07-30 06:08:34 PM cchase it prevents you from finding it... the memory is stored
2014-07-30 06:08:37 PM janice13 no really moves it around so that you can not pull it forward to use
2014-07-30 06:08:41 PM cchase just like a computer file
2014-07-30 06:08:49 PM terridenisetyler wow
2014-07-30 06:08:49 PM janice13 your file cabinet gets turned upside down
2014-07-30 06:08:59 PM cchase not moved around
2014-07-30 06:09:09 PM cchase it is blocked from access
2014-07-30 06:09:22 PM susanw thats how it was explained to me.
2014-07-30 06:09:27 PM fkirchgater makes sense
2014-07-30 06:09:29 PM cchase by the plaques and tangles that John mentioned
2014-07-30 06:09:31 PM terridenisetyler wow
2014-07-30 06:09:36 PM janicewatts is there any way to bring it back?
2014-07-30 06:09:46 PM terridenisetyler does medicine help?
2014-07-30 06:10:00 PM fkirchgater it slows the progression but not return to normal
2014-07-30 06:10:03 PM janice13 aricept
2014-07-30 06:10:04 PM cchase long term memory will hang in there for a time and short term goes first
2014-07-30 06:10:15 PM susanw i heard that it can slow the process down too
2014-07-30 06:10:16 PM cchase yes some meds are used
2014-07-30 06:10:38 PM johndavid medicine may slow the progression, but then again, from what i understand it affects differently per individual
2014-07-30 06:10:38 PM terridenisetyler is it forever until they expire?
2014-07-30 06:10:40 PM cchase but they can be useless depending on the person
2014-07-30 06:10:45 PM cchase yes
2014-07-30 06:10:50 PM terridenisetyler awe...
2014-07-30 06:10:53 PM janicewatts what can we do to help slow it down?
2014-07-30 06:10:53 PM cchase the disease is terminal
2014-07-30 06:11:11 PM janice13 true, the disease takes away the need to function
2014-07-30 06:11:13 PM terridenisetyler :'(
2014-07-30 06:11:13 PM cchase working out your brain like you work out your body
2014-07-30 06:11:24 PM johndavid lots of trivia
2014-07-30 06:11:25 PM janice13 i do every day
2014-07-30 06:11:27 PM janicewatts awa
2014-07-30 06:11:30 PM fkirchgater i call it brain calisthenics
2014-07-30 06:11:40 PM jean1 How does "sundowning" happen in terms of the brain. I notice that in quite a few of our residents.
2014-07-30 06:11:41 PM scarrejo1026 mind games
2014-07-30 06:11:44 PM cchase the disease takes away the brains ability to tell your organs how to function
2014-07-30 06:11:46 PM susanw I saw first hand last week how one of our residents started to get worse before she passed away. She started screaming out all the time and we couldn't do anything to help.
2014-07-30 06:11:48 PM janice13 memory games, matching and math problems are also good
2014-07-30 06:12:07 PM cchase yes sundown is typical
2014-07-30 06:12:14 PM terridenisetyler so sad
2014-07-30 06:12:15 PM janice13 it is hard to watch, just be there for them hold their hands
2014-07-30 06:12:23 PM terridenisetyler yep
2014-07-30 06:12:23 PM cchase the person clock goes off
2014-07-30 06:12:36 PM cchase and just about the time the sun sets
2014-07-30 06:12:56 PM cchase is when you see the behavior problems
2014-07-30 06:12:57 PM janicewatts I have seen that a lot
2014-07-30 06:13:07 PM terridenisetyler me too
2014-07-30 06:13:10 PM janice13 sometimes you can use lighting to help with the behavior
2014-07-30 06:13:14 PM cchase yes be there to hold hands is very good
2014-07-30 06:13:15 PM johndavid snoezelen works well for that
2014-07-30 06:13:24 PM fkirchgater lightning?
2014-07-30 06:13:30 PM cchase yes - we have a snoezelen room
2014-07-30 06:13:32 PM janice13 day time lights inside
2014-07-30 06:13:41 PM terridenisetyler snoezelen?
2014-07-30 06:13:42 PM janice13 we don't have a sensory room
2014-07-30 06:13:47 PM johndavid we have a portable one, no specific room for it
2014-07-30 06:13:57 PM susanw how does this work
2014-07-30 06:14:02 PM terridenisetyler machine?
2014-07-30 06:14:05 PM janice13 what do you put on your cart
2014-07-30 06:14:08 PM cchase it's a special room to help with sensory stimulation - look it up on the web
2014-07-30 06:14:20 PM terridenisetyler ok
2014-07-30 06:14:20 PM susanw ok
2014-07-30 06:14:28 PM johndavid its a really awesome tool to have in memory care
2014-07-30 06:14:29 PM janice13 it is fun we just don't have the space yet
2014-07-30 06:14:32 PM janicewatts ok
2014-07-30 06:14:35 PM scarrejo1026 ok
2014-07-30 06:14:48 PM cchase our room is no portable - haven't seen as such - interesting
2014-07-30 06:14:59 PM terridenisetyler what else helps?
2014-07-30 06:15:07 PM cchase redirection
2014-07-30 06:15:12 PM terridenisetyler oh
2014-07-30 06:15:13 PM janice13 music
2014-07-30 06:15:24 PM terridenisetyler left the chat room
2014-07-30 06:15:26 PM carolynlnig enter the chat room
2014-07-30 06:15:33 PM jean1 Speaking of music, is anyone doing Music and Memory?
2014-07-30 06:15:39 PM terridenisetyler enter the chat room
2014-07-30 06:15:46 PM fkirchgater oh yea we do music therapy
2014-07-30 06:15:48 PM terridenisetyler woops got kick off
2014-07-30 06:15:49 PM janice13 aroma therapy helps to calm them down as well
2014-07-30 06:15:49 PM susanw I have always worked with skilled AL but have also been given MC as of today. Good timing for this chat tonight
2014-07-30 06:15:50 PM cchase hi there
2014-07-30 06:15:51 PM janice13 we do
2014-07-30 06:16:01 PM johndavid we have an art fushion program that has the residents play along on instruments with music
2014-07-30 06:16:18 PM johndavid such as tamborines, shakers, drums, etc
2014-07-30 06:16:20 PM cchase yes music is a charm
2014-07-30 06:16:21 PM janicewatts cool
2014-07-30 06:16:29 PM cchase especially percussions
2014-07-30 06:16:50 PM janice13 i found a free drum set for a couple of our residents to play, they love it
2014-07-30 06:16:53 PM carolynlnig Hello and thanks for the welcome
2014-07-30 06:17:07 PM cchase sorry was just copying names for credit
2014-07-30 06:17:11 PM janice13 np
2014-07-30 06:17:29 PM cchase so here's the thing
2014-07-30 06:17:32 PM janice13 ok
2014-07-30 06:17:35 PM terridenisetyler ok
2014-07-30 06:17:39 PM janicewatts what else can you do?
2014-07-30 06:18:02 PM carolynlnig Music is always great. . . so often I have had those with alz. singing a song from years ago and it Makes them so happy.
2014-07-30 06:18:07 PM cchase think about having someone give you a reasonable reason for not going out in the rain in the middle of the night
2014-07-30 06:18:19 PM susanw What inexpensive activities are good for dementia
2014-07-30 06:18:21 PM terridenisetyler they must feel horrible. I hate to forget things
2014-07-30 06:18:33 PM cchase but you just didn't understand the point
2014-07-30 06:18:39 PM carolynlnig Do you have any sing-along records/cd's with olt songs from the 30's& 40's?
2014-07-30 06:18:46 PM cchase you wanted to understand it but your brain
2014-07-30 06:18:54 PM cchase cannot process it
2014-07-30 06:18:54 PM terridenisetyler awe
2014-07-30 06:18:56 PM susanw yes we do,
2014-07-30 06:18:59 PM cchase fustrations
2014-07-30 06:19:02 PM janice13 you have to be careful not to upset them what they don't rember
2014-07-30 06:19:04 PM cchase angry
2014-07-30 06:19:04 PM terridenisetyler yes
2014-07-30 06:19:11 PM cchase maybe even mad
2014-07-30 06:19:18 PM fkirchgater inferiority
2014-07-30 06:19:20 PM janicewatts yes
2014-07-30 06:19:22 PM scarrejo1026 yes
2014-07-30 06:19:27 PM janice13 help them redirect on something positivie
2014-07-30 06:19:32 PM janice13 positive
2014-07-30 06:19:32 PM cchase that you want to do something you aren't allowed to
2014-07-30 06:19:39 PM cchase yes janice right on
2014-07-30 06:19:49 PM cchase never, never, never argue
2014-07-30 06:19:57 PM cchase you will loose
2014-07-30 06:19:58 PM janice13 it does not work ever
2014-07-30 06:20:05 PM jean1 I find asking them to help me with something is usually good.
2014-07-30 06:20:15 PM hktdsch04 enter the chat room
2014-07-30 06:20:16 PM carolynlnig Their reality is just that and there is not changing it, but redirect
2014-07-30 06:20:16 PM cchase nice jean
2014-07-30 06:20:19 PM susanw That just makes them even more md and upset
2014-07-30 06:20:24 PM terridenisetyler i have one that likes to talk on a unpluged phone
2014-07-30 06:20:32 PM janicewatts I sat for 45 min with a lady one night
2014-07-30 06:20:42 PM terridenisetyler wow
2014-07-30 06:20:54 PM janice13 i love when I have the time to sit with the residents i feel so helpful
2014-07-30 06:21:19 PM cchase I once had someone in my office for a long time to calm down
2014-07-30 06:21:22 PM susanw they enjoy your attention when its all about them,
2014-07-30 06:21:25 PM cchase he was overstimulated
2014-07-30 06:21:28 PM fkirchgater yes they do
2014-07-30 06:21:31 PM janicewatts I didn't, but she was going to hurt herself
2014-07-30 06:21:38 PM cchase he sat there and watched me talking to my computer
2014-07-30 06:21:43 PM carolynlnig Do any of you have photo books from their families so they can look at their past on positive celebrations or experiences even though they may not remember them?
2014-07-30 06:21:45 PM terridenisetyler lol
2014-07-30 06:21:49 PM janice13 did he question you
2014-07-30 06:21:55 PM janice13 about talking to the computer
2014-07-30 06:22:00 PM cchase then I unplugged my phone at the wall and asked him
2014-07-30 06:22:02 PM susanw Yes, they enjoy memory books
2014-07-30 06:22:04 PM johndavid ive had a few in my office once in a while, while im working on calendars....just to have a calm place for them
2014-07-30 06:22:14 PM cchase to listen for a voice as I was on hold
2014-07-30 06:22:22 PM janice13 i give them blank calendars and ask them to fill them in
2014-07-30 06:22:24 PM jean1 Yes, Carolyn, we have some of those and also personal photos on bulletin boards. Things from their childhood are usually good.
2014-07-30 06:22:35 PM janicewatts good idea
2014-07-30 06:22:48 PM cchase he was content to listen on the phone for sometime
2014-07-30 06:22:57 PM janice13 i ince had a resident attend a staff meeting , she took notes for us
2014-07-30 06:23:04 PM terridenisetyler lol
2014-07-30 06:23:05 PM janice13 I once
2014-07-30 06:23:07 PM cchase and he relaxed and forgot about being upset, anxiety
2014-07-30 06:23:09 PM fkirchgater nice
2014-07-30 06:23:09 PM carolynlnig What about doing a hand massage with lotion when you are just holding their hand for comfort?
2014-07-30 06:23:16 PM janice13 that works well
2014-07-30 06:23:21 PM susanw we also have shadown boxes on their doors with their photos in. It helps them remeber which room is theirs too
2014-07-30 06:23:36 PM janice13 we have those on our memory unit
2014-07-30 06:23:57 PM cchase so what would you all say to this person who wants to go out in the rain in the middle of the night???pls answer one at a time to give youself some thoughts
2014-07-30 06:24:51 PM jean1 I would say I would like to go to, but I can't find my umbrella. I would ask them if they could help me find it.
2014-07-30 06:25:01 PM carolynlnig In our day center, we hung up a poster with pictures of them when they wer young, and planned to have them guess who those photos were, It turned out they had more fun telling each other about themselves at the time their photo was taken.
2014-07-30 06:25:02 PM terridenisetyler what if we have a snack instead, then we could go out
2014-07-30 06:25:02 PM cchase nice
2014-07-30 06:25:09 PM janice13 i would first find out if there was thunder and lighting, if not I would let them get a rain coat and go out
2014-07-30 06:25:11 PM johndavid nice one jean
2014-07-30 06:25:20 PM cchase good with snacks
2014-07-30 06:25:29 PM scarrejo1026 i would let the resident know it was unsafe and redirect by asking if they would like to watch from a window instead.
2014-07-30 06:25:38 PM johndavid i would ask them to walk with me to the other side of the unit where there is a better view of the outside
2014-07-30 06:25:49 PM cchase unsafe - hmmm -- she doesn't think it's unsafe
2014-07-30 06:25:54 PM janicewatts I would try to redirect him and give him something elas to think about
2014-07-30 06:25:56 PM janice13 if the weather is bad, then ask them to help you with something different , coffee, food, music or visiting someone else
2014-07-30 06:26:02 PM scarrejo1026 then i would stay and talk as well as offer a warm drink like coffee
2014-07-30 06:26:17 PM cchase good janice

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