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2015-04-29 06:19:01 PM cchase good
2015-04-29 06:19:03 PM kwilliams128 because they just don't know anymore
2015-04-29 06:19:07 PM cchase they just feel
2015-04-29 06:19:13 PM pec1963 change the thoughts they are having
2015-04-29 06:19:26 PM cchase now put that with what we said earlier
2015-04-29 06:19:29 PM rhett6 talk to them they can hear and just let them know everything is going to be ok because you are there with them by there side
2015-04-29 06:19:41 PM reneebragg so if we are happy they can be happy it's about our attitude towards them
2015-04-29 06:19:42 PM robina Let them live in their happy moments don't discourage what point of life they believe they are in
2015-04-29 06:19:44 PM susanb It's sad
2015-04-29 06:19:47 PM cgbrown1977 So if you catch them and they are feeling happy about something you may divert the anger
2015-04-29 06:19:50 PM mboyd and how we respond
2015-04-29 06:19:59 PM mboyd they can feed off our energy to
2015-04-29 06:20:06 PM pec1963 connection is what they are looking for
2015-04-29 06:20:26 PM cchase so catching the feeling before it becomes negative is why it's so important to redirect early on - make sense
2015-04-29 06:20:34 PM aanderson ya
2015-04-29 06:20:35 PM christinacochran yup
2015-04-29 06:20:36 PM cgbrown1977 Yes
2015-04-29 06:20:37 PM mboyd so true
2015-04-29 06:20:38 PM rhett6 yes
2015-04-29 06:20:40 PM susanb Yes
2015-04-29 06:20:43 PM reneebragg keeping calm is very important
2015-04-29 06:20:44 PM shonnaj01 yes that sure does
2015-04-29 06:20:44 PM pec1963 yep
2015-04-29 06:20:47 PM elainelewis ok...
2015-04-29 06:20:56 PM cchase good - so what's your goal??
2015-04-29 06:21:00 PM barbietcu YEP
2015-04-29 06:21:06 PM kwilliams128 mostly they just want to be connected in some way.. they want to feel needed or that they are doing something meaningful
2015-04-29 06:21:17 PM cchase why???
2015-04-29 06:21:17 PM aanderson improve as many residents quality of lives as possible
2015-04-29 06:21:18 PM robina Keep them in a posive mood
2015-04-29 06:21:33 PM reneebragg 1st stay calm, have a soft voice and be happy around them
2015-04-29 06:21:35 PM cchase why do you say they want to feel connected
2015-04-29 06:21:35 PM pec1963 let them know love
2015-04-29 06:21:41 PM susanb Spend 1:1 time with them
2015-04-29 06:21:41 PM diannhartley to intervene before the negative feelings take over
2015-04-29 06:21:42 PM barbietcu KEEP THEM CALM TALK IN A SLOW SOFT VOICE
2015-04-29 06:21:42 PM cgbrown1977 To learn what makes them happy and get them involved in that before the negative feelings begin
2015-04-29 06:21:44 PM mboyd the goals is to address the emotion before it becomes out of control. Redirect when things are on the verge of escalating
2015-04-29 06:21:45 PM barbb stay calm, help occupy their time
2015-04-29 06:21:47 PM kwilliams128 they have lost everything they once knew.. i think they feel lost
2015-04-29 06:22:02 PM cchase yes before it is out of control good
2015-04-29 06:22:07 PM shonnaj01 To provide a positive calm atmosphere
2015-04-29 06:22:08 PM reneebragg be happy
2015-04-29 06:22:12 PM barbietcu LOST AND ALONE
2015-04-29 06:22:16 PM cchase keep the emtotion in a state that is positive
2015-04-29 06:22:25 PM christinacochran yes
2015-04-29 06:22:28 PM rhett6 let them know you are there for them stay positive
2015-04-29 06:22:30 PM cchase that helps them to feel connected
2015-04-29 06:22:41 PM cchase make sense
2015-04-29 06:22:42 PM mboyd which means we ourselves have to remian positive and approach the scene in a positive form
2015-04-29 06:22:45 PM kwilliams128 i find my residents the happiest when they have common ground of some kind
2015-04-29 06:22:46 PM aanderson ya
2015-04-29 06:22:48 PM pec1963 human contact, hold a hand, stroke a face , listen to what they day
2015-04-29 06:22:48 PM shonnaj01 yes
2015-04-29 06:22:50 PM reneebragg yes
2015-04-29 06:22:53 PM diannhartley I think we all like that feeling
2015-04-29 06:22:54 PM susanb Yes
2015-04-29 06:22:56 PM cchase yes-
2015-04-29 06:22:57 PM robina lots of photos from their past
2015-04-29 06:23:04 PM christinacochran yes
2015-04-29 06:23:06 PM elsa agreed
2015-04-29 06:23:16 PM cchase okay so here's something very important..ready
2015-04-29 06:23:21 PM mboyd yes
2015-04-29 06:23:22 PM christinacochran yes
2015-04-29 06:23:22 PM aanderson go
2015-04-29 06:23:23 PM barbb yes
2015-04-29 06:23:23 PM susanb Yep
2015-04-29 06:23:23 PM barbietcu YES PHOTO FROM THE PAST
2015-04-29 06:23:25 PM reneebragg yes
2015-04-29 06:23:28 PM rhett6 yes
2015-04-29 06:23:35 PM pec1963 yes
2015-04-29 06:23:39 PM barbietcu YES
2015-04-29 06:23:41 PM cchase what word should you never speak??
2015-04-29 06:23:45 PM aanderson remeber
2015-04-29 06:23:48 PM christinacochran dont
2015-04-29 06:23:49 PM mcgeemarie remember
2015-04-29 06:23:49 PM barbb no or dont
2015-04-29 06:23:51 PM reneebragg no
2015-04-29 06:23:52 PM aanderson NEVER SAY REMEMBER
2015-04-29 06:23:55 PM barbietcu NO
2015-04-29 06:23:58 PM mboyd no
2015-04-29 06:24:03 PM cchase yes good NO NO No
2015-04-29 06:24:05 PM rhett6 do you remember
2015-04-29 06:24:07 PM cgbrown1977 Yes amber!
2015-04-29 06:24:09 PM aanderson i say no to mine??
2015-04-29 06:24:15 PM cchase why besides the meaning of the word
2015-04-29 06:24:19 PM shonnaj01 do you remember dont no
2015-04-29 06:24:21 PM aanderson My residents dont do anything different???
2015-04-29 06:24:29 PM rhett6 it gets them fustrated
2015-04-29 06:24:31 PM robina negitive condinations
2015-04-29 06:24:39 PM diannhartley left the chat room
2015-04-29 06:24:43 PM pec1963 NEGATIVE
2015-04-29 06:24:44 PM barbb oppositional, starts a battle for power/control
2015-04-29 06:24:49 PM cchase what do WE ALL DO when we say NO
2015-04-29 06:24:50 PM reneebragg it's negative sound and emotions
2015-04-29 06:24:54 PM mboyd all they hear is what they can't do and that promo0tes negative feelings
2015-04-29 06:24:57 PM elainelewis because it sounds like KNOW?
2015-04-29 06:24:58 PM aanderson ours is care planned to say no especially for the wanderers.
2015-04-29 06:25:01 PM pec1963 rebell
2015-04-29 06:25:01 PM mboyd and can trigger a behavior
2015-04-29 06:25:01 PM diannhartley enter the chat room
2015-04-29 06:25:10 PM rhett6 get angry
2015-04-29 06:25:11 PM barbb opposite
2015-04-29 06:25:11 PM mboyd and aggression
2015-04-29 06:25:16 PM kwilliams128 anger
2015-04-29 06:25:17 PM barbietcu YES THEY REBEL
2015-04-29 06:25:20 PM aanderson remeber is a proven word not to say
2015-04-29 06:25:27 PM reneebragg wanders redirect
2015-04-29 06:25:29 PM barbietcu AND GET ANGERY
2015-04-29 06:25:35 PM cchase when we say no what happens to our body language
2015-04-29 06:25:38 PM diannhartley they dont understand the word, but can feel the word
2015-04-29 06:25:44 PM barbb defensive
2015-04-29 06:25:45 PM pisces trygyes very angry
2015-04-29 06:25:46 PM mboyd we tense up
2015-04-29 06:25:52 PM cchase yes
2015-04-29 06:25:56 PM reneebragg aggresion
2015-04-29 06:25:57 PM pec1963 tense
2015-04-29 06:25:57 PM cchase good
2015-04-29 06:25:58 PM mboyd eventually stop listening
2015-04-29 06:26:01 PM rhett6 it changes from relaxed to defense
2015-04-29 06:26:05 PM barbietcu THEN THEY DONT WANT TO HEAR YOU
2015-04-29 06:26:09 PM susanb It/s easier to redirect them
2015-04-29 06:26:10 PM cchase they are so intuitive... you tense they tense
2015-04-29 06:26:12 PM mboyd they just keep focusing on the no
2015-04-29 06:26:19 PM pec1963 tune people out
2015-04-29 06:26:22 PM cchase NO - hands on my hips
2015-04-29 06:26:25 PM cgbrown1977 Like children
2015-04-29 06:26:28 PM mboyd by then they aren't listening
2015-04-29 06:26:30 PM robina our brows turn in and it sounds like they have been bad
2015-04-29 06:26:32 PM cchase what's up with that
2015-04-29 06:26:51 PM cchase hands on my hips,,, tap my toe ... point my finger..
2015-04-29 06:26:53 PM cchase No
2015-04-29 06:27:02 PM barbb disrespectful, impatient
2015-04-29 06:27:03 PM mboyd it causes them to become defensive and aggressive by then they feel like that can't trust us
2015-04-29 06:27:04 PM diannhartley just imagine how you feel when someone tells you no
2015-04-29 06:27:06 PM reneebragg no one wants to be treated like a child or feel dumb
2015-04-29 06:27:09 PM pec1963 tantrum
2015-04-29 06:27:09 PM mboyd or that we are not there to support them
2015-04-29 06:27:25 PM cchase right - they are adults and you say NO
2015-04-29 06:27:26 PM barbietcu SAYING NO MEANS FUSTRATION
2015-04-29 06:27:31 PM cchase they feel that NO
2015-04-29 06:27:33 PM hopi1974 left the chat room
2015-04-29 06:27:34 PM susanb Treat them like you want treated
2015-04-29 06:27:41 PM aanderson THEN what else do you suggest to do with a wandered with alhzeimers that doesnt understand long phrases but will respond when you say hello...?
2015-04-29 06:27:43 PM mboyd therefore they deem it necessary to leave to retaliate
2015-04-29 06:27:43 PM shonnaj01 makes them feel bad they are adults
2015-04-29 06:27:45 PM cchase Feel it more than hear it
2015-04-29 06:27:52 PM pec1963 respect
2015-04-29 06:27:53 PM rhett6 they are like delicate flowers
2015-04-29 06:27:54 PM pisces yes it'ssurely they dislike that kind of treatment
2015-04-29 06:27:55 PM barbietcu YES BE KIND UNDERSTANDING
2015-04-29 06:28:14 PM aanderson this one wanders into other residents rooms and then she gets hit by other people
2015-04-29 06:28:14 PM pisces and patient
2015-04-29 06:28:18 PM cchase folks with Alz need to wander you must provide a safe place for that
2015-04-29 06:28:18 PM robina compassioate and caring
2015-04-29 06:28:35 PM shonnaj01 that is so true
2015-04-29 06:28:37 PM aanderson but they wander into other rooms and other residents get mad and hit her.
2015-04-29 06:28:40 PM mboyd and give them space not constantly following close behind
2015-04-29 06:28:45 PM mboyd that can cause aggression to
2015-04-29 06:28:50 PM kwilliams128 its hard to get other residents to understand that wandering is not going to stop
2015-04-29 06:28:51 PM elainelewis oh..so rather than saying NO just redirect?
2015-04-29 06:28:51 PM aanderson what else do you do.. we have door alarms and everything for redirection
2015-04-29 06:28:58 PM cchase if she self harms or harms others - you should redirect to a safer location
2015-04-29 06:28:59 PM reneebragg redirect in the hello voice
2015-04-29 06:29:06 PM diannhartley then get mesh stop signs to post on doors that they shouldnt be in.
2015-04-29 06:29:06 PM aanderson we do. all the time
2015-04-29 06:29:10 PM robina put up a barrier in front of the doorways
2015-04-29 06:29:12 PM cchase yes - do not say no ---redirect
2015-04-29 06:29:17 PM barbietcu YES WE HAVE WONDERGUARDS ON THEM
2015-04-29 06:29:20 PM aanderson doesnt acknowledge stop signs
2015-04-29 06:29:23 PM aanderson has a wandergard..
2015-04-29 06:29:29 PM barbietcu LIKE A BRACLET
2015-04-29 06:29:30 PM rhett6 all our residents doors are locked so only them and us can eneter with a akey
2015-04-29 06:29:31 PM aanderson everything has been done what else is ther to do..
2015-04-29 06:29:32 PM kwilliams128 the use of "out to lunch" signs work wonders... as long as you can have a certain resident's door shut.
2015-04-29 06:29:34 PM cchase oh.....I have this great pocketbook with nice things inside
2015-04-29 06:29:36 PM pec1963 redirect
2015-04-29 06:29:37 PM mboyd use phrases "how about we go over here" instead of no you can't go there
2015-04-29 06:29:46 PM cgbrown1977 I don't like that our memory care floor has a long hallway with rooms and the activity and dining rooms across from each other at the end...no wander room
2015-04-29 06:29:47 PM reneebragg keep the wander busy with something else
2015-04-29 06:29:53 PM cchase oh..I am hungry how about a nice sandwich
2015-04-29 06:29:58 PM pec1963 whats in the pocketbook
2015-04-29 06:30:05 PM aanderson cant restrict the other resident with locked doors..
2015-04-29 06:30:07 PM cchase keep the wonderers busy yes
2015-04-29 06:30:14 PM aanderson every second of the day?!
2015-04-29 06:30:14 PM robina magnetic cloth barriers that stick to both sides of the doorway
2015-04-29 06:30:20 PM aanderson thats all this person does is walk
2015-04-29 06:30:21 PM susanb Ice cream works good
2015-04-29 06:30:27 PM cchase lots of things can be in that pocketbook--make it fun
2015-04-29 06:30:28 PM shonnaj01 thats a good idea to keep a wonderer busy
2015-04-29 06:30:30 PM reneebragg its not easy
2015-04-29 06:30:31 PM aanderson and she takes down all barriers/signs
2015-04-29 06:30:36 PM diannhartley let them walk...you cant stop it
2015-04-29 06:30:38 PM mboyd i took a course and they recommended putting like a leveled black rug near the door
2015-04-29 06:30:38 PM aanderson its very hard
2015-04-29 06:30:41 PM barbietcu YES REDIRECT THEM WOULD U LIKE TO LOOK AT THE FISH
2015-04-29 06:30:43 PM cchase why do you suppose they should wonder??
2015-04-29 06:30:45 PM pec1963 good idea
2015-04-29 06:30:47 PM mboyd has to be leveled so they wont trup
2015-04-29 06:30:48 PM aanderson no idea
2015-04-29 06:30:49 PM pisces yes I agree they need to be occupied
2015-04-29 06:30:49 PM mboyd trip
2015-04-29 06:31:03 PM reneebragg dont know
2015-04-29 06:31:05 PM cchase folks pls tell me why they should wonder
2015-04-29 06:31:06 PM barbietcu KEEP THEM BUSY
2015-04-29 06:31:07 PM aanderson you CANT OCCUPY a true wanderer every second of the day
2015-04-29 06:31:14 PM mboyd they wander as a coping mechanism
2015-04-29 06:31:20 PM aanderson i dont think you understand unles you have one
2015-04-29 06:31:25 PM robina that is what they want to do
2015-04-29 06:31:25 PM pisces discovery
2015-04-29 06:31:26 PM reneebragg keep their mind going
2015-04-29 06:31:27 PM ericapond they wonder bc they have all these thoughts racing through them
2015-04-29 06:31:28 PM kwilliams128 but you can try!
2015-04-29 06:31:32 PM aanderson they walk ALL HOURS of the day and sit down for about 2 mintues
2015-04-29 06:31:35 PM barbb to them they're going somewhere, doing something
2015-04-29 06:31:35 PM cchase that is correct you can occuply and should not try to
2015-04-29 06:31:45 PM cchase okay... here's the thing
2015-04-29 06:32:02 PM rhett6 wandering keep there mind in a posotive amnner they feel as if they are there own boss no one to tell them they cant go
2015-04-29 06:32:05 PM cchase they often wonder to help release anxeity
2015-04-29 06:32:16 PM mboyd and remain calm
2015-04-29 06:32:16 PM cchase nasty typing too fast
2015-04-29 06:32:18 PM cchase sp
2015-04-29 06:32:20 PM shonnaj01 If the person likes to go in restricted areas with barriers and signs and just removes them make a fake restricked are with safe things to look at and explore
2015-04-29 06:32:30 PM cchase tight sonna
2015-04-29 06:32:33 PM cchase right
2015-04-29 06:32:36 PM reneebragg makes sense when you put it like that
2015-04-29 06:32:38 PM barbietcu I AGREE
2015-04-29 06:32:45 PM aanderson good idea
2015-04-29 06:32:49 PM elainelewis exercise is good for their emotions?
2015-04-29 06:32:51 PM pec1963 Agree
2015-04-29 06:32:54 PM pisces I agree also
2015-04-29 06:32:59 PM aanderson we have tried everything except that
2015-04-29 06:33:03 PM cchase what would happen to you if someone makes you sit when you do not want to
2015-04-29 06:33:06 PM diannhartley it will tire them out at some point
2015-04-29 06:33:14 PM reneebragg mad
2015-04-29 06:33:15 PM christinacochran i will get mad!!
2015-04-29 06:33:16 PM aanderson no it doesnt lol
2015-04-29 06:33:17 PM mboyd kind of like how some people exercise to destress they walk and wander to destress
2015-04-29 06:33:18 PM kwilliams128 angry
2015-04-29 06:33:19 PM barbietcu THEY WILL GET UPSET
2015-04-29 06:33:20 PM barbb upset, depressed, angry
2015-04-29 06:33:21 PM pisces angry
2015-04-29 06:33:21 PM aanderson they walk all the time...
2015-04-29 06:33:22 PM susanb Would not be happy
2015-04-29 06:33:26 PM cchase what happens when you feel like you need to move and someone won't let you
2015-04-29 06:33:30 PM aanderson get mad
2015-04-29 06:33:32 PM barbb frustrated
2015-04-29 06:33:32 PM rhett6 angry
2015-04-29 06:33:32 PM cgbrown1977 Start causing an uproar
2015-04-29 06:33:34 PM kwilliams128 frustrated
2015-04-29 06:33:37 PM barbietcu MAD
2015-04-29 06:33:38 PM mboyd you get more agitated
2015-04-29 06:33:38 PM cchase good - let them walk safely
2015-04-29 06:33:38 PM reneebragg angry
2015-04-29 06:33:40 PM mcgeemarie anxiety
2015-04-29 06:33:40 PM christinacochran I need to move even more
2015-04-29 06:33:42 PM mboyd more defensive
2015-04-29 06:33:45 PM cchase frsutrated yes yes
2015-04-29 06:33:45 PM aanderson she only targets 2 rooms so explain thatt?
2015-04-29 06:33:47 PM pisces angry frustrated
2015-04-29 06:34:03 PM aanderson instigator?
2015-04-29 06:34:06 PM ericapond somethign in those rooms interests her or looks familliar
2015-04-29 06:34:06 PM cchase feels safe in those rooms most likely
2015-04-29 06:34:09 PM kwilliams128 she feels a connection to them for some reason
2015-04-29 06:34:13 PM robina something familiar about them
2015-04-29 06:34:13 PM aanderson but why?
2015-04-29 06:34:17 PM pec1963 comfort zone
2015-04-29 06:34:17 PM reneebragg maybe she likes the way they look or likes the people in there
2015-04-29 06:34:19 PM mboyd we need to avoid invading their "bubble"
2015-04-29 06:34:28 PM cgbrown1977 Only she knows
2015-04-29 06:34:31 PM cchase why - well now then - that is the question
2015-04-29 06:34:33 PM aanderson is she insagating because those residents get FURIOUS when she comes in
2015-04-29 06:34:35 PM barbietcu YES THEY NEED THEIR SPACE
2015-04-29 06:34:36 PM kwilliams128 they might remind her of the past? you might never know
2015-04-29 06:34:37 PM cchase right only she knows
2015-04-29 06:34:53 PM cchase okay everyone ready for more??
2015-04-29 06:34:58 PM kwilliams128 yes
2015-04-29 06:34:58 PM susanb Yes
2015-04-29 06:34:59 PM ericapond yes
2015-04-29 06:34:59 PM christinacochran yes
2015-04-29 06:35:01 PM robina yes
2015-04-29 06:35:01 PM reneebragg yes
2015-04-29 06:35:02 PM rhett6 yes
2015-04-29 06:35:04 PM barbb yes
2015-04-29 06:35:05 PM barbietcu YES
2015-04-29 06:35:05 PM elsa yes
2015-04-29 06:35:05 PM pisces yes
2015-04-29 06:35:08 PM diannhartley she cant remember if the people get mad
2015-04-29 06:35:09 PM elainelewis k
2015-04-29 06:35:16 PM aanderson but the other people do..
2015-04-29 06:35:17 PM cchase great here is a case study
2015-04-29 06:35:30 PM cchase you tell us what you would do..
2015-04-29 06:35:41 PM cchase Mary takes her mom to dinner every wed
2015-04-29 06:35:41 PM diannhartley its important to remember that she cant
2015-04-29 06:35:57 PM cchase Mary gets to her mom's place and when the door opens
2015-04-29 06:36:09 PM aanderson nevermind you dont get it
2015-04-29 06:36:12 PM cchase Mom is all ready with her nice fur coat on
2015-04-29 06:36:39 PM cchase so Mary is please ...and takes mom to dinner
2015-04-29 06:36:57 PM cchase they are at the restarurant and
2015-04-29 06:36:59 PM barbietcu YES
2015-04-29 06:37:01 PM cgbrown1977 Oh no
2015-04-29 06:37:11 PM cchase Mom take off her coat ----
2015-04-29 06:37:15 PM cchase Hmmmm
2015-04-29 06:37:18 PM mboyd uh oh
2015-04-29 06:37:24 PM reneebragg oh no
2015-04-29 06:37:27 PM mboyd i don't like where this is going
2015-04-29 06:37:28 PM barbietcu O NO
2015-04-29 06:37:29 PM mboyd lol
2015-04-29 06:37:29 PM cchase mom is in her bra and slip-what to do??
2015-04-29 06:37:43 PM mcgeemarie remain calm
2015-04-29 06:37:45 PM pec1963 act normal
2015-04-29 06:37:49 PM mboyd don't make a scene
2015-04-29 06:37:51 PM robina Ask her if she is cold
2015-04-29 06:37:56 PM mboyd use the hello voice
2015-04-29 06:37:57 PM susanb Talk her into putting her coat on
2015-04-29 06:37:58 PM barbietcu SLOWLY TRY AND PUT COAT BACK ON
2015-04-29 06:37:59 PM shonnaj01 dont make a scene cover her up
2015-04-29 06:38:03 PM reneebragg stay calm then hurry up and eat
2015-04-29 06:38:11 PM cchase robin
2015-04-29 06:38:12 PM aanderson stay calm, redirect her
2015-04-29 06:38:15 PM cchase say again
2015-04-29 06:38:15 PM rhett6 simply suggest that the coat looks amazing on her and sees if she want sto put it back on
2015-04-29 06:38:18 PM diannhartley order it to go
2015-04-29 06:38:18 PM christinacochran tell her mom that the coat is so nice that she should keep it on during dinner, then the next time you take her to dinner make sure she has clothes on
2015-04-29 06:38:20 PM mboyd reframe from having a tone
2015-04-29 06:38:22 PM barbietcu STAM CALM
2015-04-29 06:38:23 PM elainelewis tellMom your not feeling well and need to go back home?
2015-04-29 06:38:27 PM pisces don't humiliate her or make her feel bad
2015-04-29 06:38:38 PM aanderson ask if shes cold and then suggest to put it back on
2015-04-29 06:38:39 PM kwilliams128 remind her that the restaurant usually turns the AC up and she might want to put her coat on while they eat
2015-04-29 06:38:46 PM robina put your coat on and tell mom you are cold and ask her again
2015-04-29 06:38:53 PM ericapond good ideas ask her to try the coat on for her so she can see how it fits her
2015-04-29 06:38:55 PM cchase you are on the right track
2015-04-29 06:39:01 PM barbb calm & relaxed mention how cold you are & put your coat on
2015-04-29 06:39:03 PM cchase first do not humiliate
2015-04-29 06:39:14 PM cchase do not force on her coat
2015-04-29 06:39:15 PM kwilliams128 if she says no.. eat.. nothing you can do without making a big scene and making your mom feel humiliated and get agry

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